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Like I said turning into a bashing thread, where controversial topics like abortion have taken over.
What started out as a topic for possible health insurance for some turned into abortion and birth control debates from a certain Christian vs non-Christian viewpoint.
So the Christian insurance mandates if you want it you have to be anti-abortion, and government insurance demands those that don't agree with it still pay taxes to support it. Seems somebody gets forced into something they don't agree with one way or the other except the Christian insurance is a choice while government insurance is imposed, that is a difference.
Artificial birth control is against the teachings of the Catholic Church. it is immoral because it treats sex as a mechanical act that does not permit fully sharing and is not open to children. Birth control basically makes sex a selfish act.
So if you are a fertile couple you just have baby after baby you may not be able to afford, or abstain? And if you are infertile that is God's will, and does it mean you should abstain from selfish sex?
If you think there aren't organized atheists, what the hell is the Communist Party, then? It's hypocritical for you not to renounce your atheism since prominent atheists have committed the worst atrocities in the history of man. You think mass murder of millions is equivalent to a few wayward priests bothering boys?
You don’t have to join the communist party to be an atheist.
The communist party is a political party not a religion.
Your analogy is ridiculous and the fact that you are making it in defense of child rape is repugnant.
Look, it's clear by your demeanor and comments that you are no true Christian.
Not sure Jesus would go around derisively denigrating everyone outside of his opinion circle as Marxists, Commies, etc.
And that is the problem with fundamentalist Christians: you become so belligerent in your absolutism that you ironically contravene the basic tenets of compassion and love you claim to support in the New Testament.
I don't call individuals here Marxists. I call the leaders of the far left those terms. It's what they are. If you think it's bad that they're Marxists, then it sounds like you agree with me.
I am self-employed. We used to have a great private health insurance plan. Our whole family of seven had a family plan for $460/month. In late 2014, we got notice that the plan would be discontinued, that we had to move to an 0bamacare-approved plan. Comparable 0bamacare plan with a $6000 deductible----$1400/ a month. I was outraged.
In late November, I heard an ad on the Rush Limbaugh program about a Christian health insurance alternative that was exempt from 0bamacare. It was called a co-op. I won't mention the name, so I won't be accused of advertising. So after some googling, I found out there were three such co-ops that existed before the ACA, and were exempt from it. What I found was unbelievable. Virtually unlimited caps, no deductible, and very inexpensive. I was amazed this option was never discussed in the media, and now I understand why. If widely known about, it would have been a huge threat to 0bamacare. And even though the ACA has been temporarily defanged by Trump, the law is still in place for the next Democrat president to restore in full.
The co-op I chose charged $465 for family plan, $160 for individuals. $5 million cap. No deductible. But there are RULES. You have to be a Christian, attend Christian church services at least three times a month, get your pastor to sign off on it, abstain from smoking, drinking to excess, and sex outside of marriage. It does not pay for check-ups or pre-existing conditions, you have to have been cancer-free for five years, and can't have Type I diabetes.
The reason it's so cheap is it doesn't pay for garbage like birth control, abortions, Viagra, or anything immoral like 0bummer care requires. And it won't pay if you've violated one of the rules. Say you get hurt in an accident where you get injured because you or someone you were with were driving drunk. Not covered. You get pregnant and are not married. Not covered. You smoke and get lung cancer. Not covered. Check-ups are not covered. Why should they be? That's not what insurance is from. And if you don't pay your premium, you get kicked out.
But the GREATEST THING OF ALL, is the 'premiums' are assigned and sent DIRECTLY to other members to pay their bills for 11 of the 12 months. The other month's premium is sent to the home office for administrative costs. So the GREATEST STRENGTH is over 90% of the money sent is never seen by a central office. So there is no pile of money anywhere to get stolen, grafted, or misused. In other words, it's the total opposite of damned government!!!
It wasn't long before it was put to the test. In 2015, I tore my quadriceps tendon off the kneecap. That was major leg surgery. The total bill was $13000. (As a self-pay, you keep costs down.) Samaritan members covered it all. No deductible. Physical therapy included. I didn't pay a dime!!!! Many even sent encouraging notes. People taking care of people. No wasted cost. True Christian charity. Exactly the way insurance and ALL GOVERNMENT SERVICES should be run!
It’s also cheap because they don’t pay for preventative care, like check-ups, cancer screenings, most prescriptions medicines, or immunizations.
I don’t know man, I guess it’s better than nothing... but I can see it getting real ugly if a family doesn’t have the cash flow for the uncovered stuff, let alone to wait several months for reimbursement. Especially with kids, I wouldn’t be able to sleep without having Medicaid as backup.
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No, that's not it. It mandates you have to believe in Jesus. Let's say I'm a strict Orthodox Jew (obviously I'm not since I'm using the computer on Shabbos) who is opposed to abortion, pre-marital sex, and birth control. Why couldn't I buy into to the program?
Because it's a private program, and they can do what they want. Just as the Orthodox Jews can start their own program. And so can the irreligious. (Good luck with the honor system on THAT).
Like I said, he doesn't even realize he's doing it. (The O's are zeros, by the way, as in ZeroBamaCare).
0bama is a zero. What else can I say?
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