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Old 02-23-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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37 years as a gandy dancer on the BNSF? I have had plenty of bad days. I came closer to being killed there more times than in Vietnam. Ever work outside in 80 degrees below zero wind chill? Or around railroad tracks where the summer temps can get to 120? All the time shoveling rock, Snow, picking ice, carrying rails and railroad ties? I'm lucky to be alive this long...……..
LOL...in that case, you may have a point!!

BTW, my great grandfather and his brother, my Uncle Etienne, were section workers for over 40 years on the RR. They used to sing some old work songs for us when they were kids. Those guys should’ve made albums! Lol...those old songs were amazing. Wish I knew the words.
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:27 PM
 
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LOL...in that case, you may have a point!!

BTW, my great grandfather and his brother, my Uncle Etienne, were section workers for over 40 years on the RR. They used to sing some old work songs for us when they were kids. Those guys should’ve made albums! Lol...those old songs were amazing. Wish I knew the words.
Well. I can guarantee you they worked their A$$es off. When I first hired on they were still doing everything by hand...…..Chisel cut rails,dig ties in by hand,lift rails by hand,ETC. Did you know why they were called gandy dancers? What railroad did they work for?
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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well. I can guarantee you they worked their a$$es off. When i first hired on they were still doing everything by hand...…..chisel cut rails,dig ties in by hand,lift rails by hand,etc. Did you know why they were called gandy dancers? What railroad did they work for?
Louisiana & Arkansas RR.
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:36 PM
 
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Sorry. Can't resist


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Who cares what Laura Ingraham or John Wayne think? They are both entertainers. If you want to be truly informed seek knowledge elsewhere.

"Some drink from the fountain of Knowledge, others just gargle."

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When was racism ever ok ?????

"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question."

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Old 02-23-2019, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Well Mr Wayne’s remarks were fairly typical of how people talked and felt about race relations at that time. He was at the bottom line a man of his times. It isn’t entirely reasonable to judge him by today’s attitudes. As far as military service he did have a deferment to avoid service. He could have volunteered but did not.
Two reasons why he didn't serve in WWII...

He was married and had children.

He was under contract to a studio and they threatened to sue him if he served.
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Old 02-23-2019, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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IIRC, everyone of Duke's wives was Latino.
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Old 02-24-2019, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Park City, UT
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John Wayne stated:
“I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.”

So what exactly is controversial about that statement?
Whites and East Asians are currently superior to all other groups on the planet becase they tend to be better educated, have functional governments, and their societies are on a much higher level of development.

Those qualities have made them and their nations superior in terms of intellect, economics, and quality of life.
There is no controversey here.

What John Wayne said is common sense.
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Old 02-24-2019, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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^^^ Defending the indefensible!

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Old 02-24-2019, 06:55 AM
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Location: On the Border
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John Wayne stated:
“I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.”

So what exactly is controversial about that statement?
Whites and East Asians are currently superior to all other groups on the planet becase they tend to be better educated, have functional governments, and their societies are on a much higher level of development.

Those qualities have made them and their nations superior in terms of intellect, economics, and quality of life.
There is no controversey here.

What John Wayne said is common sense.
So smarter white people than you (figuratively) are elitists and need to be ignored and put in their place but less smart minorities also need to be put in their place. Somehow you're just perfect aren't ya?
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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John Wayne stated:
“I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.”

So what exactly is controversial about that statement?
Whites and East Asians are currently superior to all other groups on the planet becase they tend to be better educated, have functional governments, and their societies are on a much higher level of development.

Those qualities have made them and their nations superior in terms of intellect, economics, and quality of life.
There is no controversey here.

What John Wayne said is common sense.
That "common sense" statement is not common, in fact it requires you to put blinders on, that statement was right out of a KKK and white supremecy talking point in the 1950's. Because the education was not equal due to policies that he supported.

In essence black educational attainment could never be equal to whites in the 1950's. Whites knew this argument would always = white supremacy. Anyone that looks at cause and effect of that time and its effect on today's population due to the policies in the 1950's would see clearly now.

My wife's mother who is only 60 y/o and always willing to talk about her experiences as a child, was one of the original children integrated in 1960's Lakeland, FL, there was nothing equal or good about the education blacks received then. The segregated school she left had 2-3 books per class of 30+, so separate but equal failed blacks too.

Education for blacks was poor by design therefore very few blacks could even receive an equal education, or allowed to participate in the economic boom of the 1950's, effects are still seen today.

Segregated black schools with no books or heat in the winter, lynchings still ongoing in 1950's America, separate was never equal in America. There was no GI bill for blacks or rise of the Middle class for blacks in the 1950's and again its effects are seen today.

You cannot have 500 years of oppressive policies and no lasting effects guys, blacks have only had 2 generations without these oppressive policies (Gen X and Millennial/ Y)and judging from popular culture and rising economic numbers for African Americans I say we are doing well and pulling in close considering whites that we are measured against got a 500 year head start. I think racist like David Duke saw how quickly Black America was influencing popular culture of whites in the 1970's and 1980's and it shocked them. The return of of the white robe and KKK popularity at that time was no accident.

SO, leave that revisionist BS for the birds, if a black person even tried to obtain the same education in the 1950's they would likely be lynched or driven out of town. You can't lynch people for reading and writing, provide crappy education in black communities throughout the 60's, 70's 80's, then ***** the next 50 years when those children are now adults and don't have basic skills for jobs. White America wanted blacks trained for labor only jobs and those were the first to start disappearing essentially putting 2/3rd of a minority population at or below the poverty line in rural areas. Manufacturing jobs soon follow suit killing the black community in inner cities.
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