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Nope, I know enough to turn my stomach. Watching this demented video would hurt my soul.
There's a huge difference between watching something that is fiction and a real-time real-life massacre. You're conflating movies and games with real violence.
Why didn't you quote the rest of what he said? They used to show this stuff on the news. If I remember correctly, they showed Ronald Reagan getting shot, over and over on the news. Get this, my parents were upset that I DIDN'T want to watch it! Not because they are sick or twisted, because they thought it was important, and they thought I didn't care about Reagan. I was a little kid - at that time, the very idea of someone being shot was all that I needed to feel scared, I sure didn't want to watch it.
From what I understand, the services were just about to get started - people were still coming in. The majority were in that main room, probably milling about, and when they heard shots, they started to go to the sides because there was access to get out on those sides. One side had a room that they could run into, (which some did), that would lead them outside, and the other side had windows that some people jumped out of, but most of them didn't have enough time, so you saw them huddled in the corners. That's what I believe happened.
That is ridiculous. When you watched footage of the 9/11 attacks, did that make you "somewhat like being an accessory"?
People know that there is evil in this world. But like someone pointed out earlier, like Emmett Till's mom understood, not everyone comprehends the depths of it. It's very easy to be desensitized to another mention of another person killing someone or people. We see it on the news every single day, another death, another murder, another killing - every day. We see the complacency when people say "thoughts and prayers". As if that means anything or does anything. What does writing 'thoughts and prayers' do for the conversation?
A lot of people know there's evil, but they don't seem to comprehend the seriousness of it. I've met a lot of people who don't have a clue. And we've seen the results - what happens to some who don't have a clue, unfortunately. Where they live is safe, all the evil happens outside of their bubble. And they plan trips. And they trust anyone and everyone. And then they get killed. They knew that there were evil people in the world, but they didn't understand it because too many still believe that, overall, the world is this great, wonderful place filled to the brim with really good people. Of course you can find good people anywhere, but you can find evil people anywhere, as well. Learning that, really understanding that, will mean that you don't put your trust into anyone that you meet on your adventures. (As an example.)
One person that sticks out to me when talking about this is a co-worker I used to have. Somehow, at work, the subject got onto a killing of a female in one of the Middle Eastern countries for some "crime" they said she did. (The "crime" being that she couldn't come up with any witnesses to her rape - so clearly she was guilty!)
I remember my co-worker getting involved by asking what we were talking about. I informed her. She could not believe that such a thing happens in this world. She. Had. No. Clue. But she knew that there were evil people in this world. Seeing the video of the female being 'punished' (by death) would have really sunk that message home to Ms. Clueless. I'll bet she forgot us talking about it, but I'll bet you even more that if she saw it, she would never forget.
You are all missing the point.
The shooter streamed his shooting spree as an integral part of the massacre. This isn’t news footage or bystander footage. It’s a snuff film. In real time. There’s a reason why owning snuff films or videos of child pornography is illegal. Video of actual murders or crimes against persons made BY THE PERP are part of the crime, and sharing and owning it is just furthering the profit of the perpetrator. It doesn’t belong to you.
I do not feel the same way about third party video such as news footage, bystander footage, or security footage, as that video isn’t being made by the person doing the killing, raping or exploiting for gain. In this case, the gain to the shooter is that he’s getting his twisted footage out there. No one has a right to view him killing people in cold blood for profit, just like no one has a right to a snuff film or child pornography.
The shooter streamed his shooting spree as an integral part of the massacre. This isn’t news footage or bystander footage. It’s a snuff film. In real time.
Definition of a snuff film :
any filmed or recorded footage which has been specifically commissioned by a paying client, the content of which depicts an actual, unsimulated, on-screen murder.
any filmed or recorded footage which has been specifically commissioned by a paying client, the content of which depicts an actual, unsimulated, on-screen murder.
Ok, so apart from the paying client part, what’s the difference?
That stream doesn’t belong to you, besides anything else. It’s the property of the platform it was streamed to, and there are no rights for the general public to own it or share it if it’s been taken down by the platform.
I stream live music for a living, and I’m not allowed to just share it like I own it without paying the rights holders. None of you have the right to view the video if it’s been taken down by the owner. It’s not public domain and it doesn’t belong to you.
Ok, so apart from the paying client part, what’s the difference?
That stream doesn’t belong to you, besides anything else. It’s the property of the platform it was streamed to, and there are no rights for the general public to own it or share it if it’s been taken down by the platform.
I stream live music for a living, and I’m not allowed to just share it like I own it without paying the rights holders. None of you have the right to view the video if it’s been taken down by the owner. It’s not public domain and it doesn’t belong to you.
This is not legal advice, but your uninformed opinion. No youtube video, or fb video is the property of google or fb. It legally belongs to the person who made it. In this case, the person released the video to be freely shared and viewable. You're welcome.
I can tell you this, had the gunman put a soundtrack to that stream using copyrighted music, that stream would have been taken down, and you would all be running foul of piracy laws had you shared it or downloaded it. Just because something is on the Internet you don’t have automatic rights to it.
This is not legal advice, but your uninformed opinion. No youtube video, or fb video is the property of google or fb. It belongs to the person who made it. In this case, the person released the video to be freely shared and viewable. You're welcome.
That’s not true. The platform has the right to do whatever they like with it once you upload it to their platform.
I can tell you this, had the gunman put a soundtrack to that stream using copyrighted music, that stream would have been taken down, and you would all be running foul of piracy laws had you shared it or downloaded it. Just because something is on the Internet you don’t have automatic rights to it.
You are confusing different topics. You need to read on copyrights. See my response above.
That’s not true. The platform has the right to do whatever they like with it once you upload it to their platform.
The platform DOES NOT OWN THE CONTENT. It can share it, and so can anybody if the owner agrees, but does not OWN IT. This applies to any content sharing plaftorm. You are a waste of my time.
"For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your Content."
YOU are conflating the issue. I said that FB or whomever has the RIGHT to the video. Not the content. They have full rights to THE VIDEO for as long as it remains in their servers, and as is clearly stated here, they can do whatever they want with it. It’s clearly stated in the terms of service for YouTube etc that you may not, as a user, download video from their platform.
I didn’t say it owns the rights to the content. I said, once you upload it, FB can do whatever they want with it, because you’ve granted them a blanket use license by uploading it in the first place.
You own the rights to the content, but for all intents and purposes Facebook owns the actual video you’ve uploaded to their site once it’s on their servers, for as long as it remains on their servers, because you grant them a extraordinarily broad license to use it.
But you are correct, I could have been clearer by stating FB owns the license to that video, a non exclusive license, and that the rights to the content remain with the content maker.
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Permission to use content that you create and share: You own the content that you create and share on Facebook and the other Facebook Products you use, and nothing in these Terms takes away the rights that you have to your own content. You are free to share your content with anyone else, wherever you want. To provide our services, however, we need you to give us some legal permissions to use this content.
Specifically, when you share, post or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights (e.g. photos or videos) on or in connection with our Products, you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free and worldwide licence to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate and create derivative works of your content (consistent with your privacy and application settings). This means, for example, that if you share a photo on Facebook, you give us permission to store, copy and share it with others (again, consistent with your settings) such as service providers that support our service or other Facebook Products that you use.
You can end this license at any time by deleting your content or account. You should know that, for technical reasons, any content that you delete may persist for a limited period of time in backup copies (though it will not be visible to other users). In addition, content that you delete may continue to appear if you have shared it with others and they have not deleted it.
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