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Reading these posts it's easy to see how successful the democrat stacked school system has been in brainwashing our youth. Those who are strongly in favor of socialism have been brainwashed and are totally clueless as to real life.
Like the Roman empire,no one can defeat is, we are being destroyed from the inside, and it's happening, just look at the posts above, people actually believe in socialism. Goodbye America...!!
Reading these posts it's easy to see how successful the democrat stacked school system has been in brainwashing our youth. Those who are strongly in favor of socialism have been brainwashed and are totally clueless as to real life.
Like Roam, no one can defeat is, we we be destroyed from the inside, and it's happening, just look at the posts above, people actually believe in socialism. Goodbye America...!!
LOL. It looks like the school system sure failed you, ol' Man.
Life is the influence. Until you are actually fending for yourself without any kind of net, someone is taking care of you to some degree. This is all you know.
You never really consider how the refrigerator always has food or the lights stay on or your cell phone keeps working...it all just happens. You never ponder how hard people are willing to work on your behalf, because people always have, so why wouldn't they continue doing so on an expanded scale?
Also, in more recent years, say the last 10-20, the age at which people finally leave home has increased, while the amount of misery parents inflict upon them as motivating force to get them to leave has diminished. So there is a growing cohort that thinks not only is slacking a good thing, but there will always be those happily taking up that slack.
So it makes fanciful notions of everyone coming together in some "to each, from each" utopia that much easier to believe, and that the only reason it hasn't already gotten here is a handful of mean rich people, or something.
They start to doubt the system once they actually start fending for themselves and start seeing where that bite in the arse known as "taxes" gets spent. It's a really cool system when you are the one getting the free stuff. It's a lot less fun when it's you paying for it and handing it out.
EDIT - you see it in this thread. "I had cancer and it was expensive" = I want socialism. "I did not have cancer, so why should I pay for your treatment?" = I don't want socialism.
How big your bills are and how capable you are of paying them tends to be a really important factor in how receptive to socialism you are.
I am impressed with the Democratic Socialism Welfare system in Scandinavia, and I'm really shocked that all of these "Socialism=Evil" -people are not, as they're usually the ones crying the loudest about the fraud and abuse of the welfare system in America.
In those countries, a welfare recipient is told: You get X amount of Dollars, for no longer than X years (usually only 1 or 2, based on circumstances/support), and not a penny more, NO extensions, if you cant get your **** together in that amount of time, you're on your own. If you have any more children while on welfare, tough toenails, now you have to spread that x amount of dollars amongst another mouth to feed. You are required to submit X amount of hours of community service per week while on welfare, having young children at home is no excuse....bring them with and show them the value of working for what you earn and community service. You must learn a new employable skill during your time on welfare -- of course the welfare system pays for the training, but it's a small investment to prevent homelessness and dependency on aid as well as encourages their people to become contributing members of society.
Besides that, Democratic Socialism is appealing because the GREED in this country is out of hand. Seems like Americans are all just slaves to big business.
How big your bills are and how capable you are of paying them tends to be a really important factor in how receptive to socialism you are.
I will give a personal anecdotes in this case.
My cousin graduated with honors from a prestigious university a few years ago. He was able to get a job right out of college and begin working right away. A few years out of college and he is barely able to keep his head above the water. Between housing costs (he splits rent with others), transportation costs, paying off school loans, costs of living and whatnot. So you have a kid that did everything he was suppose to do and he can barely stay afloat, let alone be able to save money for the future. Its no surprise that enacting socialist incentives is appealing to people who look down the road and see no future for themselves. The American system is fundamentally broken and people are rapidly growing weary with it and for good reason.
Many countries around the world have democratic governments and socialist economic systems. They tend to be wealthier, more well educated, and healthier than systems like ours which is Democratic/Capitalist.
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Which Alternate Universe do you live in? Our sky is blue. What's the color of yours?
It's true (as this thread shows) most people conflate communism, socialism and nannystate social programs.
Socialism or its close cousin communism may facilitate the transfiguration of a primitive country with uneducated, unsophisticated subsistence farmers into a more industrialized society/economy by virtue of Machiavellian, benevolent dictators educated in the West, but then they tend to stagnate. Cf- Viet Nam since the war, or Russia or China since their revolutions. Russia failed miserably in the end and China now only succeeds because they are no longer communist, but practice capitalistic economics and totalitarian politics.
Socialism/communism may start as noble democracies, but must necessarily deteriorate into totalitarianism to continue-- a viable party of dissent would lead to chaos as voters could repeatedly change the group doing the central planning.
If failure or at best mediocrity is your goal, then socialism could be successful. Can someone name a successful communist or socialist country, ever?
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