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Old 03-25-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You are buying the marketed utopian history. It wasn't all good. Ever. Anywhere.

Bison impact the land, as do deer, antelope, rabbits, and frogs. Native Americans aren't magic and they had to manage the land, with sometimes hard decisions, just as they and their neighbors do now.

There are too many people in ratio to land for everyone to raise their own food. To be completely self supporting. In addition, farming, ranching, or being a hunter/gatherer is very time consuming. Life gets very basic.
Of course, I never claimed otherwise.

In fact in a previous thread I mentioned how management of the forests by Indians (the subcontinent) made it more ecologically prosperous (cutting down overgrown shrubs, managing land, etc.).

I think that is all great, and I think having a market to sell goods is great. But when the natives of the land who need to manage and care for its animal life to benefit from it are no longer in control, and profiteers/corporations fund and manage the slaughter of Bison for profit, the land becomes obsolete and the natural significance is destroyed.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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I live in rural Colorado, next door to a bison ranch. Even had a herd of them stampede through my yard a few years ago.

It isn't like they are extinct.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It falls under history, not politics, although the intentional targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure goes on till this day under the guise of war on terror. The goal is the same: to separate the native population from the desired resources, such as oil and natural gas, so the latter can be extracted without paying for their rights.

The Buffalo Killers
Not only that, but the actual long term benefits of the land are destroyed. When outside profiteers come in to destroy the natural wildlife, it is only the locals who suffer.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww3cMgFr2xQ

Bison kept the grass fields healthy and offered Natives food and building material. The savage Americans slaughtered them for market demand and the evil American consumer took it all for their high living standards.

Damn them all.
They actually weren't slaughtered for food or market demand. They were slaughtered because of railroad interests. It was the Republican way. Sacrifice the planet for the sake of the almighty dollar.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Because nobody/ everybody owned them. Private ownership combined with prices and markets conserve scarce resources the best. Do you suppose cattle or chickens will go extinct anytime soon? How will it work in your communist utopia?
There is a massive difference between cattle and farm animals to wild bison.

Animals that live on the land help nurture it, just like indigenous people do.

Marketers keep breeding rates artificially high for some animals that can be used by closed off ranches or farm land so that consumers can have a steady stream of supplies, but when it comes to nature and its circle of life (ecosystem), they will gladly destroy it all for a few bucks.

And that is ignoring extraction all together.

Now if locals controlled the land they lived on rather than letting corporations come in to organize production, the land would stable because they would have an invested interest in keeping their home alive.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They actually weren't slaughtered for food or market demand. They were slaughtered because of railroad interests. It was the Republican way. Sacrifice the planet for the sake of the almighty dollar.
Yes, that was how it was back then, but even then market interest in selling and processing meat destroyed the ecosystem in the west as well.

The American consumer is not innocent.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Bison lives matter!




P.S. Get a life.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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You are buying the marketed utopian history. It wasn't all good. Ever. Anywhere.

Bison impact the land, as do deer, antelope, rabbits, and frogs. Native Americans aren't magic and they had to manage the land, with sometimes hard decisions, just as they and their neighbors do now.

There are too many people in ratio to land for everyone to raise their own food. To be completely self supporting. In addition, farming, ranching, or being a hunter/gatherer is very time consuming. Life gets very basic.
All it would've taken would be to recognize the tribes as legal entities with ownership rights just as any US or foreign entity. Survey the land on which they resided and record the deeds. The next step by the tribes would've been to limit the number of bison on their lands to allow the ranches to be self-sustaining.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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They actually weren't slaughtered for food or market demand. They were slaughtered because of railroad interests. It was the Republican way. Sacrifice the planet for the sake of the almighty dollar.
Well, and also for fun.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Is there anything else about American people or America that you don’t like? Let’s gather it all in one thread.
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