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Old 03-28-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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Americans are usually taught that Ronald Reagan ended Communism or something like that.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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It was due to many factors. First,it was rotten within. A collective society cannot compete with a Free Market system. Reagan and Thatcher used a huge military build-up to break their fragile economy.It worked. Oligarchial Collectivism never works. The USSR broke under it. China? If one LOOKS at it, their Gov't is repressive,but China is a Capitalist dictatorship. Maoism is dead in China. Venezuella? Fact speaks for itself. Nicaragua and El Salvador? Oh,well. See what happens when the Libs try it here. The USSR fell for many reasons. History will show that.
So does Oligarchial Capitalism work? That's what the USSR is now....a very few, tied in to the Dictator (the son of Stalins cook and former KGB) have control of virtually all the resources and major industries. Furthermore, they are stealing them and parking the money here and elsewhere.

The only real difference now is they are only murdering about 10% as many of their own people as before. Also, some are free to leave if they can get the money or backing.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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Americans are usually taught that Ronald Reagan ended Communism or something like that.
I was out of high school when the USSR collapsed but I was led to believe that that is exactly what it was...a collapse.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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What is "other peoples money," when everyone is employed by the state and paid by the state?

A catchy phrase, that means nothing.
Hard money and liquid money - that country is loaded with gold, oil and gas.

That country is just too tight to give up any of it.

Communists, after all, are CONSERVATIVES!

HARD CORE, THEY ARE!
 
Old 03-28-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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... and yet, oddly enough, the market-based 'social democracies' that follow the Nordic model are the most successful economic system known to man in terms of quality of life, happiness of the people, work-life balance, longevity, healthcare outcomes and infant mortality. Conservatives in the U.S. falsely slap the "socialist" label on the Nordic model but the two couldn't be more different.
"Social Democracies" are anything but. The governments you refer to are not completely stupid-they know that socialism is a failure as an economic system-and embrace capitalism. They simply charge confiscatory tax rates to fund a very generous social welfare program. The government does not own the means of production-the term "Democratic Socialists" is improperly used.

"Welfare Capitalism" would be a much more accurate term.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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... and yet, oddly enough, the market-based 'social democracies' that follow the Nordic model are the most successful economic system known to man in terms of quality of life, happiness of the people, work-life balance, longevity, healthcare outcomes and infant mortality. Conservatives in the U.S. falsely slap the "socialist" label on the Nordic model but the two couldn't be more different.
How silly.


The Nordic countries have a high quality of life because they are oil exporters. It's the same economy as that of Kuwait, Dubai, etc.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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How silly.


The Nordic countries have a high quality of life because they are oil exporters. It's the same economy as that of Kuwait, Dubai, etc.


In addition, they have had a very educated, ethnically homogeneous population. The reason Midwesterners are hard workers is that they are US/Nordic transplants.


Let's see how the Nordic nations do with the influx of muslim immigrants. I think that will turn the Nordic "socialist success" into a dismal failure, as there will be a large group of dependent, uneducated, and unmotivated people occupying their country.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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Hard money and liquid money - that country is loaded with gold, oil and gas.

That country is just too tight to give up any of it.

Communists, after all, are CONSERVATIVES!

HARD CORE, THEY ARE!

That's not "communists," that's "Russians" for you yet again.



Russian culture is CONSERVATIVE period, Russians ARE conservative, so group of older guys sitting in Kremlin during Soviet times were no exception.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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What is "other peoples money," when everyone is employed by the state and paid by the state?

A catchy phrase, that means nothing.
For socialism to work, the money used to fund socialism needs to be income not accumulated wealth
 
Old 03-28-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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In addition, they have had a very educated,
Courtesy of the Soviet system of education ( which was soooo different from American one.)

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ethnically homogeneous population.
No, not the Soviet Union. Soviet Union included a lot of "stans" ( i.e. Central Asain Republics) and the ethnic autonomous enclaves even within the "Russia proper."
The "ethnic issue" is still a hot topic for debates in Russia.


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The reason Midwesterners are hard workers is that they are US/Nordic transplants.
My observation of Midwesterners, is that it's definitely a cohesive " white American community" - more cohesive than what I saw in other "mixed areas" around the country. It's probably the only place that gives you a feeling of a "Nation."

"Black communities" are very cohesive too, when separated from the Whites.
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