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That’s what the west wants us to think, but if that were true, the worst years would be the latest years of the 75. Clearly there were ups and downs and cyclical peaceful episodes
The Soviet Union realized that reforms were needed, because a communist economy just doesn't work. The reforms led to the downfall.
China and Vietnam reformed and allowed capitalism into their economies for the same reason -- communism (socialism, whatever) does not function.
That’s what the west wants us to think, but if that were true, the worst years would be the latest years of the 75. Clearly there were ups and downs and cyclical peaceful episodes
Yes, there were less horrifying times, like the zastoy in the 70-s. But even then, if you lived out of Moscow, you just could not get decent food.
The communists were rich because they confiscated everything. All the aristocrats' wealth, all the natural resources, all the peasants' land. It lasted about 75 years, then reality started to dawn.
What "communists?"
Are you talking about the government of different levels ( and those close to it) or what?
Because plenty of factory workers for example were "communists" - the members of the communist party.
But whatever it is, even the government officials in the Soviet Union were not "rich" by American standards. Their level was probably closer to the upper middle class in Europe.
The Soviet system itself was preventing them from being "rich."
Even if they'd have some money stashed away, they couldn't invest them anywhere for profits, since everything belonged to the government - each and every enterprise. They couldn't stash them in Western banks either, since rubles conversion was strictly regulated by Vneshtorgbank ( Bank of External Trade,) and was going through one channel only, which was monitored pretty close.
From what I remember, it was actually Gorbachev who changed the rules of money transfers abroad, and that's when the flight of capital began.
So "rich communists in the Soviet Union" is just yet another myth created in the West.
Now today's Oligarchs in Russia - yes, those are filthy rich, and their wealth is created with the help of Western banking system.
Yes, there were less horrifying times, like the zastoy in the 70-s. But even then, if you lived out of Moscow, you just could not get decent food.
If you were a
Ukrainian in the 1930's
Chechens in 1944 or 1995-2010 (and even present)
or any one of tens of millions of other Ruskies your goose was cooked.....often with electrodes to your body.
Bad. Really Bad.
Given the history and the recent Chechen situations it's hard to take anything out of Putins mouth with any degree of seriousness. Once a Stalinist, NKVB and KGB, always one.
These guys make Mao look like a Saint (on a percentage basis).
If you were a
Ukrainian in the 1930's
Chechens in 1944 or 1995-2010 (and even present)
or any one of tens of millions of other Ruskies your goose was cooked.....often with electrodes to your body.
Bad. Really Bad.
Given the history and the recent Chechen situations it's hard to take anything out of Putins mouth with any degree of seriousness. Once a Stalinist, NKVB and KGB, always one.
These guys make Mao look like a Saint (on a percentage basis).
Lol, if you think Chechens and Chechnya is so great, by all means, go take a visit.
Goodness, why do I even bother responding to your posts, you seldom have any clue what you are talking about.
The people who miss USSR divided to 3 groups.
1. Youngsters who never lived in USSR, are earning now 20k rubles in Mukhosransk and think that anything is better than now.
2. A tiny ideologic group of hardcore communists.
3. Older people in their 50-s and 60-s who miss the time when the *** stood like a stick and young hotties slept with them for free.
To all the people who miss USSR I tell one thing: Go out to supermarket and stand near the entry for 3 hours in the snow, and then go back with nothing.
Those who miss the childhood aspect of it, not so much the country.
Those who actually had a better standard of living then than they do now.
Also, the food shortages were for a short period, not during the entire time of the post-Stalin USSR.
The people who miss USSR divided to 3 groups.
1. Youngsters who never lived in USSR, are earning now 20k rubles in Mukhosransk and think that anything is better than now.
2. A tiny ideologic group of hardcore communists.
3. Older people in their 50-s and 60-s who miss the time when the *** stood like a stick and young hotties slept with them for free.
To all the people who miss USSR I tell one thing: Go out to supermarket and stand near the entry for 3 hours in the snow, and then go back with nothing.
You are clearly describing the times of Gorbachev-induced economic collapse.
There is a whole generation of 40+ people I assume by now, that are too young to be familiar with the Soviet system for real, so they have tendency to judge "Soviet system" by the collapse period, when they entered their adulthood more or less.
Those however who are 50 plus, still remember different times and different life in the Soviet Union, and that's the knowledge they pass to their children/grand-children.
Well, those in the US who are always find of the 1950's? I mean we had some problems as well, not even close to the scale of the USSR to some degree, but it was no utopia as many clamor on about.
If you were a
Ukrainian in the 1930's
Chechens in 1944 or 1995-2010 (and even present)
or any one of tens of millions of other Ruskies your goose was cooked.....often with electrodes to your body.
Bad. Really Bad.
Given the history and the recent Chechen situations it's hard to take anything out of Putins mouth with any degree of seriousness. Once a Stalinist, NKVB and KGB, always one.
These guys make Mao look like a Saint (on a percentage basis).
The "golodomor" is an antisemitic myth.
And chechnya... In 1944 they were nazi collaborators, and in 1995... Oh boy...
You are clearly describing the times of Gorbachev-induced economic collapse.
There is a whole generation of 40+ people I assume by now, that are too young to be familiar with the Soviet system for real, so they have tendency to judge "Soviet system" by the collapse period, when they entered their adulthood more or less.
Those however who are 50 plus, still remember different times and different life in the Soviet Union, and that's the knowledge they pass to their children/grand-children.
I'm describing 1981, not 1988. I left before Gorbachev.
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