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Excerpt: “.....the Soviet Union was the first country in world history to have completely eliminated hunger, an achievement that countries as "developed" as the United States have never reached. “
Here from Wikipedia we learn that although the rapid shift from private farming to collective farms and rapid industrialization caused famines in Stalin’s 5-year plan in Ukraine and Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward, that ultimately these models were declared successful and rural peasants benefited by not having to be in servitude to one owner because of the collective arrangements.
"Collectivization brought undeniable benefits to some rural inhabitants, especially those who had owned little or no land. It freed them from laboring on the fields of others, and it increased their control over wages, lending to their daily existence a stability previously unknown to them." [12]
It took time
In Hungary, agricultural collectivization was attempted a number of times between 1948 and 1956 (with disastrous results), until it was finally successful in the early 1960s under János Kádár.
Subsidies and constant pressure destroyed the remaining private farmers; only a handful of them remained after the 1960s. The lifestyle of villagers had eventually reached the level of cities, and village poverty was eliminated
Collectivism always fails, be it communism, socialism, fascism, or nationalism.
The only reason the U.S.--a hybrid of socialism and fascism--hasn't yet failed is the Federal Reserve printing up trillions of dollars of worthless money to keep the ship from sinking like the Titanic.
$200 trillion in unfunded liabilities are about to finally sink the ship for good, though, especially when the Petrodollar is no longer the reserve currency.
Excerpt: “.....the Soviet Union was the first country in world history to have completely eliminated hunger, an achievement that countries as "developed" as the United States have never reached. “
Here from Wikipedia we learn that although the rapid shift from private farming to collective farms and rapid industrialization caused famines in Stalin’s 5-year plan in Ukraine and Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward, that ultimately these models were declared successful and rural peasants benefited by not having to be in servitude to one owner because of the collective arrangements.
"Collectivization brought undeniable benefits to some rural inhabitants, especially those who had owned little or no land. It freed them from laboring on the fields of others, and it increased their control over wages, lending to their daily existence a stability previously unknown to them." [12]
It took time
In Hungary, agricultural collectivization was attempted a number of times between 1948 and 1956 (with disastrous results), until it was finally successful in the early 1960s under János Kádár.
Subsidies and constant pressure destroyed the remaining private farmers; only a handful of them remained after the 1960s. The lifestyle of villagers had eventually reached the level of cities, and village poverty was eliminated
Gorbachev didn't "betray" anything. He was FORCED to terminate the USSR; courtesy of pro-American forces within the Russian government, so-called "young reformers," supported by America plus "Harvard boys" and IMF.
Gorbachev has NEVER intended to disband the USSR, although his inept actions contributed to the collapse of the country.
And the last but not least - Soviet Union was disbanded AGAINST the will of its people, where over 70% percent voted for keeping the Union during the referendum of 1991.
One of short falls of the Soviet Union is that the government controlled the means of production rather than the people as Karl Marx entended. So for instance in these collective farms the government would state what and when to plant. When khrushchev visited the US and saw all the corn fields, he came back forced everyone to grow corn when a lot of people didn’t even know how and in places where the climate isn’t suitable for it. Also microclimates weren’t taken into consideration, they just give the order to plant not concerned with the fact that one place could’ve started planting a week earlier and another place is still too cold.
One of short falls of the Soviet Union is that the government controlled the means of production rather than the people as Karl Marx entended. So for instance in these collective farms the government would state what and when to plant. When khrushchev visited the US and saw all the corn fields, he came back forced everyone to grow corn when a lot of people didn’t even know how and in places where the climate isn’t suitable for it. Also microclimates weren’t taken into consideration, they just give the order to plant not concerned with the fact that one place could’ve started planting a week earlier and another place is still too cold.
And why do you think this was happening?
Because when you put hicks out of sticks ( who don't believe in science, but only in ideological dogmas) in charge of the country, with no control over them whatsoever, that's what you get.
But that's not exactly "communism."
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Gorbachev didn't "betray" anything. He was FORCED to terminate the USSR; courtesy of pro-American forces within the Russian government, so-called "young reformers," supported by America plus "Harvard boys" and IMF.
Gorbachev has NEVER intended to disband the USSR, although his inept actions contributed to the collapse of the country.
And the last but not least - Soviet Union was disbanded AGAINST the will of its people, where over 70% percent voted for keeping the Union during the referendum of 1991.
These are facts.
The fall of the USSR was mainly due to the coup attempt by hardliners to overthrow the comparatively moderate Gorbachev
One of short falls of the Soviet Union is that the government controlled the means of production rather than the people as Karl Marx entended. So for instance in these collective farms the government would state what and when to plant. When khrushchev visited the US and saw all the corn fields, he came back forced everyone to grow corn when a lot of people didn’t even know how and in places where the climate isn’t suitable for it. Also microclimates weren’t taken into consideration, they just give the order to plant not concerned with the fact that one place could’ve started planting a week earlier and another place is still too cold.
This is what lead to mass starvation's that occurred in China. They had rice varieties and farming techniques developed over millennia specific to the different regions. They collected all the rice saved for planting which was lumped together and then redistributed to farms controlled by the government, millions dead.
Because when you put hicks out of sticks ( who don't believe in science, but only in ideological dogmas) in charge of the country, with no control over them whatsoever, that's what you get.
Huh? Firstly just because you live in rural area does not mean you are stupid. Secondly if you are a farmer you know how to farm, the issue starts when government policy created by someone who has no clue about farming is dictating how you farm.
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