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Old 03-28-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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I don't need researches for this. I lived at those times. And I remember very well the 4 hour lines for bones.
Why USSR collapsed? Because people did not believe in it anymore.

 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:01 AM
 
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It's a lot easier to feed people in the Soviet Union after losing perhaps 1/3 of your population to war and famine.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Huh? Firstly just because you live in rural area does not mean you are stupid. Secondly if you are a farmer you know how to farm, the issue starts when government policy created by someone who has no clue about farming is dictating how you farm.
Yep.

I've seen govt. types screw up all kinds of stuff over the years when they start meddling with topics via regulation and edict.

For example, they sank the Easton by regulation. Killed about 700 people in Chicago around 100 years ago.

Classic case.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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The system the Soviets established was sufficient for many people and had the advantages of:
1) Free education
2) Free health care
3) No serious job concerns
4) People received relatively the same things

But the advantages of capitalism yielded more and efficient production and creative advancement.

I've lived in worked in Russia, Mongolia, China and Azerbaijan and talked to many that lived under Communism and many preferred it to their current capitalist system.

I wish the USSR had been able to continue but with the freedom of people to move to and away from that system depending on their preferences.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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I did a little researching on Soviet Union and I came across some other points of view.

Here’s the Kremlin’s perspective back in the day, focuses on Stalin successes in combining what Lenin-Marx had pursued
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mal...1949/12/21.htm

Here’s another article on the positive achievements of the USSR over its timeline
The Achievements of the USSR

Excerpt: “.....the Soviet Union was the first country in world history to have completely eliminated hunger, an achievement that countries as "developed" as the United States have never reached. “

Here from Wikipedia we learn that although the rapid shift from private farming to collective farms and rapid industrialization caused famines in Stalin’s 5-year plan in Ukraine and Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward, that ultimately these models were declared successful and rural peasants benefited by not having to be in servitude to one owner because of the collective arrangements.

"Collectivization brought undeniable benefits to some rural inhabitants, especially those who had owned little or no land. It freed them from laboring on the fields of others, and it increased their control over wages, lending to their daily existence a stability previously unknown to them." [12]

It took time

In Hungary, agricultural collectivization was attempted a number of times between 1948 and 1956 (with disastrous results), until it was finally successful in the early 1960s under János Kádár.

Subsidies and constant pressure destroyed the remaining private farmers; only a handful of them remained after the 1960s. The lifestyle of villagers had eventually reached the level of cities, and village poverty was eliminated

Soviet artisan represented in song




Gorbechev betrayed into terminating the USSR: Huff Post article
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6116654

So what do you think?



Another liberal trying to whitewash genocide and subjugation of nations in support of leftist agendas.


The left has always celebrated the mass murderers of socialism/communism.


The frightening thing now is that they are saying these things out loud and are considering such systems as a possible form of government for the US. God help us all. Let us hop that the US does not have to suffer the miseries of communism just to satisfy the curiosity of a few twisted "intellectuals" who know "what is best" for their fellow citizens.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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I did a little researching on Soviet Union and I came across some other points of view.

Here’s the Kremlin’s perspective back in the day, focuses on Stalin successes in combining what Lenin-Marx had pursued

So what do you think?
Uh, I don't have to think. The 30 million dead are thinking for me. They, and many others, starved also.

Russia is a failed state. Still. The leader of Russia today is the SON of Stalins cooks.....and was in the murderous KGB for his entire life.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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One of short falls of the Soviet Union is that the government controlled the means of production rather than the people as Karl Marx entended. So for instance in these collective farms the government would state what and when to plant. When khrushchev visited the US and saw all the corn fields, he came back forced everyone to grow corn when a lot of people didn’t even know how and in places where the climate isn’t suitable for it. Also microclimates weren’t taken into consideration, they just give the order to plant not concerned with the fact that one place could’ve started planting a week earlier and another place is still too cold.
Communism is an irrational and blind system. The best utilization of resources is through private property, private markets and market prices.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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Collectivism always fails, be it communism, socialism, fascism, or nationalism.

The only reason the U.S.--a hybrid of socialism and fascism--hasn't yet failed is the Federal Reserve printing up trillions of dollars of worthless money to keep the ship from sinking like the Titanic.

$200 trillion in unfunded liabilities are about to finally sink the ship for good, though, especially when the Petrodollar is no longer the reserve currency.
We're on our way comrade!
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Siberiaboy View Post
I did a little researching on Soviet Union and I came across some other points of view.

Here’s the Kremlin’s perspective back in the day, focuses on Stalin successes in combining what Lenin-Marx had pursued
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mal...1949/12/21.htm

Here’s another article on the positive achievements of the USSR over its timeline
The Achievements of the USSR

Excerpt: “.....the Soviet Union was the first country in world history to have completely eliminated hunger, an achievement that countries as "developed" as the United States have never reached. “

Here from Wikipedia we learn that although the rapid shift from private farming to collective farms and rapid industrialization caused famines in Stalin’s 5-year plan in Ukraine and Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward, that ultimately these models were declared successful and rural peasants benefited by not having to be in servitude to one owner because of the collective arrangements.

"Collectivization brought undeniable benefits to some rural inhabitants, especially those who had owned little or no land. It freed them from laboring on the fields of others, and it increased their control over wages, lending to their daily existence a stability previously unknown to them." [12]

It took time

In Hungary, agricultural collectivization was attempted a number of times between 1948 and 1956 (with disastrous results), until it was finally successful in the early 1960s under János Kádár.

Subsidies and constant pressure destroyed the remaining private farmers; only a handful of them remained after the 1960s. The lifestyle of villagers had eventually reached the level of cities, and village poverty was eliminated

Soviet artisan represented in song




Gorbechev betrayed into terminating the USSR: Huff Post article
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6116654

So what do you think?



It collapsed, because they ran out of all the other peoples money.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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It's a lot easier to feed people in the Soviet Union after losing perhaps 1/3 of your population to war and famine.
You're a mathmatic, ain't ja!

Mathic! Mathic!
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