Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position? (economy, kids)
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Exactly. Even if you don't buy into the moral framework, it's objectively true that universal healthcare saves money and covers more people. Why are we paying so much more for worse outcomes compared to almost every developed country on earth.
The US doesn't have national health care. The UK does, and it STILL fails. Do you really not understand the difference? The UK supposedly has a 'national health care' for all system, but lets people go blind due to lack of access to medical care. It's more like health care for some, but certainly not for all. It fails similarly to the US's Veteran Admin health care system. All veterans are supposed to get VA health care. Only some actually do.
Absolute BS, you want to collect all these supposedly alarming statistics about delays in the delivery of healthcare and you think that makes the fact that 28.5 million people in the US have no insurance. Don't you realize how little sense that makes? System failure is not defined by delays in receiving care as much as it is in simply NEVER providing care to tens of millions of people.
Absolute BS, you want to collect all these supposedly alarming statistics about delays in the delivery of healthcare and you think that makes the fact that 28.5 million people in the US have no insurance. Don't you realize how little sense that makes? System failure is not defined by delays in receiving care as much as it is in simply NEVER providing care to tens of millions of people.
Who says they dont get care? EMTALA. Remember? They're treated, insured or not. They're treated whether they can pay or not. Hospitals have entire social services departments that do nothing but sign poor patients up for Medicaid. Hospitals accept payment plans so nothing has to be paid in full when it's billed. Medical debt is dischargeable in banktuptcy. Etc. Stop with the boo hoo crocodile tears.
Who says they dont get care? EMTALA. Remember? They're treated, insured or not. They're treated whether they can pay or not. Hospitals have entire social services departments that do nothing but sign poor patients up for Medicaid. Hospitals accept payment plans so nothing has to be paid in full when it's billed. Medical debt is dischargeable in banktuptcy. Etc. Stop with the boo hoo crocodile tears.
EMTALA is emergency care only. If you have cancer and have become unconscious they will revive you and send you on your way. If you arrive in the ER in a diabetic coma they will give you insulin and when you are able to stand up you will be discharged. There is no obligation for any doctor or hospital to let you make a 'payment plan', especially if you can't prove your ability to make the payments. Do this for me, call some oncologists and tell them you have colon cancer but that you work at Jack in the Box for about 15 hours a week and see if they will set up a payment plan for your surgery and chemo. We already talked about medicaid, not everyone is eligible.
When weeks or days matter, they wait in line for months. But ooh... yay... they have national health care.
But they unlike thousands of Americans, do ultimately receive the care. You are the one having a problem with the reality of factual comparisons.
How many Americans die each and every year for lack of any care. That would be over 45,000 Alex for 500 points....you lose mr 'Consent so not well informed'.
EMTALA is emergency care only. If you have cancer and have become unconscious they will revive you and send you on your way. If you arrive in the ER in a diabetic coma they will give you insulin and when you are able to stand up you will be sent on your merry way. We already talked about medicaid, not everyone is eligible. As I said, 28.5 million Americans have not healthcare, that's how many people live in Texas.
They're eligible when they spend down their assets (other than their home and car) and have a low income. Very ill people are unlikely to be working, so no problem meeting that requirement. Additionally, you act as though there's no such thing as free or very low-cost public health department clinics (there are tens of thousands of them all over the US) and otherwise free clinics staffed by volunteers. It's all about utilizing resources that already exist. So stop with your boo hoo crocodile tears.
They're eligible when they spend down their assets (other than their home and car) and have a low income. Very ill people are unlikely to be working, so no problem meeting that requirement. Additionally, you act as though there's no such thing as free or very low-cost public health department clinics (there are tens of thousands of them all over the US) and otherwise free clinics staffed by volunteers. It's all about utilizing resources that already exist. So stop with your boo hoo crocodile tears.
Geezus...spending down doesn't do $hit in a state without expanded medicaid. In most states you can't rely upon charity health care. Get over it you are dead wrong about this. Under our current system there are 28.5 million uninsured people and you have not yet suggested one realistic solution for that problem.
I remember 2009 quite well and there were free clinics back then too. The simple incontrovertible fact is that people die without health coverage. I don't care how much you poo-poo that or how many links you post about 'volunteer clinics'. Facts are facts.
Geezus...spending down doesn't do $hit in a state without expanded medicaid.
Yes, it does. No assets (except home and car) and no/low income qualifies one for Medicaid. It's exactly why hospital social services departments are able to enroll so many patients in Medicaid.
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In most states you can't rely upon charity health care. Get over it you are dead wrong about this. Under our current system there are 28.5 million uninsured people and you have not yet suggested one realistic solution for that problem.
I remember 2009 quite well and there were free clinics back then too. The simple incontrovertible fact is that people die without health coverage. I don't care how much you poo-poo that or how many links you post about 'volunteer clinics'. Facts are facts.
People WITH health coverage die, too. A big problem for those that aren't covered is that they dont use the free or very low cost resources that already exist. No ones fault but their own.
I agree with Joey. However, I still think the government should subsidize healthcare for the poor.
I would argue that the government has an obligation to make sure everyone has access to healthcare.
So this isn't a matter of obligating individuals to provide labor, but rather it is a matter of what the government is obligated to do.
For example...the United States Navy does not exist because individuals have a right to demand the labor of sailors to protect them from invasion, but rather it exists because the United States Government has an obligation to keep the people of the United States safe from invasion.
Having said that, I would accept resolutions from either the left or the right in terms of how the government should go about ensuring that people have access to healthcare. One way would be for the government to provide the healthcare directly, as it does with the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Care program. Another way would be to let private industry provide the healthcare, and give people vouchers. The latter would be the right wing method.
Unlike some people out there, I'm open to both approaches, I think others should be open as well.
They already do, free healthcare to those who wont work and earn their own keep. It is called welfare.
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