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Well since they don't have to have the vaccine, it really doesn't apply to anyone.
They can still attend school without being vaccinated. So, again, what's the point of this "announcement"?
Actually they’re also banning unvaccinated kids without a medical or religious waiver from school in 2 zip codes. The laws exist to do this, but until now weren’t being enforced.
A daycare was shut down when the owner refused to show vaccination records or waivers as required by law. Again, stepped up enforcement of existing law.
No discussion of forcibly vaccinating anyone, so people still retain the right to choose.
Not to mention completely irrelevant. Why would we compare our mortality rates from any cause of death; to countries where a significant part of the population does not have access to sanitation services or clean drinking water?
In regards specifically to mortality & Measles vaccine uptake; the facts do not support what some seem to think they do. The U.S. Measles vaccine uptake rate is at 92% but these countries have a 99% Measles vaccine uptake rate:
Bahrain, Bolivia, China, Comoros, Cuba, Dem. People's Rep. Korea, Guyana, Hungary, Iran, Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Monaco, Morocco, Nicaragua, Oman, Paraguay, Qatar, Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Thailand, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan & Vietnam. https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind....MEAS/rankings
And these are just a handful of the countries that have rates between 93%-98%: Columbia, Kuwait & Zambia at 93%. Algeria & Bangladesh at 94%. Zimbabwe & Rwanda at 95%. Mexico at 96%. Botswana & Bhutan at 97%. Mongolia at 98%.
In the U.S.; with 92% of our population vaccinated against Measles? We have a child mortality rate of 6.50 (per 1,000).
Kuwait; with 93% of their population vaccinated against Measles? Has a child mortality rate of 8.50.
Mexico; with 96% of their population vaccinated against Measles? Has a child mortality rate of 14.60.
Mongolia; with 98% of their population vaccinated against Measles? Has a child mortality rate of 17.90.
People's Rep. Korea; with 99% of their population vaccinated against Measles? Has a child mortality rate of 20.00.
Mortality rates from any cause, from LDCs (less-developed countries); are literally irrelevant to U.S. mortality rates from any cause & possibly; child mortality rates may be irrelevant to child vaccination rates; in LDCs.
What do children in those countries die from? I suspect it is not vaccine preventable diseases.
Actually they’re also banning unvaccinated kids without a medical or religious waiver from school in 2 zip codes. The laws exist to do this, but until now it wasn’t being enforced.
A daycare was shut down when the owner refused to show vaccination records or waivers as required by law.
No discussion of forcibly vaccinating anyone, so people still retain the right to choose.
Right but you are supposed to have the exemption form to attend school. So I am not understanding this "ban" at all. No one is banned from anything. Just a big to do about nothing? What am I missing here?
Are they going door to door demanding papers at daycares?
Is this part of some sort of compliance drill to authority for school officials?
This is what the order actually says. The CNN article was misleading.
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The first is a RCDOH Communicable Disease & Exposure Exclusion Order, which is a Commissioner’s Order, and which has three components:
Any person diagnosed with the measles or exposed to a person diagnosed with the measles as evidenced by laboratory evidence or a measles tracing investigation conducted by RCDOH must be excluded from indoor and outdoor places of public assembly located in Rockland County for a period of up to 21 days.
The individual is prohibited from going to or being present at any place of public assembly for any period of time with exceptions for medical care, emergency situations and court appointments.
Individuals are required to cooperate with RCDOH public health authorities by providing information regarding details of one’s illness, exposures and contacts.
Failure to comply can result in a $2,000 fine per violation per day. Parents and guardians served with this order on behalf of an exposed minor are responsible for compliance by their child.
The second Order involves students who are required to have the proper MMR immunizations and to date have not demonstrated that the vaccines have been administered. New York State (NYS) Public Health Law Section 2164 and New York Codes, Rules and Regulations (NYCRR) Title 10, Subpart 66-1 requires mandatory immunizations to be in school unless the student has a medical or religious exemption.
Pursuant to an audit conducted by NYSDOH/RCDOH, students have been identified as having neither a valid certificate of immunization on file for MMR vaccine or laboratory evidence of immunity against measles, mumps and rubella, nor a valid medical or religious exemption on file.
A notarized affidavit sworn under penalty of perjury or if unable to take an oath, a notarized affirmation affirmed under penalties of perjury, identifying students who have been excluded from the school/day care is required according to this order.
Failure to comply can result in a $2,000 fine per violation per day. These Orders to affected schools were delivered as of April 16, 2019.
This order quarantines people with lab confirmed measles and people who have been exposed to those with lab confirmed measles. Students who either don’t have proof of immunization to Measles or don’t have a valid exemption (religious, medical) will be excluded from school or day care.
This actually seems reasonable to me.
Last edited by MissTerri; 04-16-2019 at 02:18 PM..
Sounds like a very good argument for a vaccine against herpes simplex, doesn't it? There is a lot of work being done on such a vaccine, but it has proven difficult. Your second link mentions the chickenpox virus, which is also a herpes virus. Good thing we have a vaccine for that, right?
You’d think. Unfortunately, the benefit from even the best vaccine against the worst disease; will be dependent on those who offer & regulate that vaccine & at this point, this means those who continue to place policy, program, product & politics; above ... people.
There has been no response, beside “watchful waiting”, to the recommendations & advisements from the most esteemed scientific research foundations in the world; regarding the negative non-specific effects of subunit, recombinant, polysaccharide, and conjugate vaccines.
There has been no response, beside “watchful waiting”, to the recommendations & advisements from the most esteemed scientific research foundations in the world; regarding the positive non-specific effects from live-attenuated vaccines & inactivated vaccines. No response to the findings that “learned immunity” benefits from the initial immunization being a live-attenuated vaccine. Spacing & sequencing of vaccines.
Nothing. No response. Crickets... Those negative non-specific effects & the disregard for the positive; ARE capable of initiating atypical immune responses & subsequent neuroinflammation. That, at least; is not debatable. I think what might be debatable is what the liability would be if there was an admission that this has been the problem all along.
Whatever the answer is; waiting even longer won’t make it any better.
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
I am terribly sorry about your son, but there is now a large body of evidence that shows vaccines do not cause autism. Has he been tested for a mitichondrial disorder?
Thank you but no there isn’t & no he hasn’t. I do have an aunt who has been diagnosed with a mitochondrial disorder.
Despite that there is a large body of epidemiological evidence only, that is seemingly showing a lack of causation for vaccines with autism; there is a huge body of biological evidence that is showing that vaccines are quite capable of causing autism.
And there is no biological evidence showing that vaccines could not be causing autism..
Right but you are supposed to have the exemption form to attend school. So I am not understanding this "ban" at all. No one is banned from anything. Just a big to do about nothing? What am I missing here?
Are they going door to door demanding papers at daycares?
Is this part of some sort of compliance drill to authority for school officials?
Yes, you’re supposed to have the exemption. But, they weren’t enforcing the no vaccine no waiver = no school laws. Why I have no idea.
They must be checking daycares to make sure their kids have been vaccinated or have a waiver. I don’t know if that’s normal for NYC daycares or not. Might just be more enforcing of laws that weren’t being previously enforced.
So this is targeting schools to have records. And forcing all parents to be up-to-date on immunization paperwork and exemption paperwork.
So this isn't a public health thing. It's a paperwork issue. Interesting.
Yeah, the second part is about paperwork. You either have to show proof of immunization or have a valid medical or religious exemption on file in order to continue to be allowed to go to the school. It goes after the people who failed to turn in their paperwork.
The first part talks about a quarantine for those who have lab confirmed measles or those who have been exposed to a person who has had lab confirmed measles. It does not say anything about quarantining people who are unvaccinated or even banning unvaccinated minors from school. The CNN article was misleading. I actually think this is pretty reasonable.
Yeah, the second part is about paperwork. You either have to show proof of immunization or have a valid medical or religious exemption on file in order to continue to be allowed to go to the school. It goes after the people who failed to turn in their paperwork.
The first part talks about a quarantine for those who have lab confirmed measles or those who have been exposed to a person who has had lab confirmed measles. It does not say anything about quarantining people who are unvaccinated or even banning unvaccinated minors from school. The CNN article was misleading. I actually think this is pretty reasonable.
I agree.
Obviously if you are sick stay home. And the paperwork should be filed to attend school anyway.
The curious part is why they are making announcements and fines about it. That part is just weird. Really weird.
So this is targeting schools to have records. And forcing all parents to be up-to-date on immunization paperwork and exemption paperwork.
So this isn't a public health thing. It's a paperwork issue. Interesting.
It’s having paperwork to confirm you’re complying with public health directives. So yes, it is a public health thing.
And I agree with Miss Terri. These initiatives are reasonable.
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