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Old 04-25-2019, 07:16 PM
 
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Why would Elizabeth Warren have anything to do with my hypothetical kids and where I choose to send them for childcare? I know plenty of people who are resentful of childcare cost, when to me it seems pretty reasonable for what they get, and it boggles my mind that they want to do their child's care on the cheap. I'm sorry it's expensive, but children are expensive.




Sorry, bub. No kids here. But if I had them, where did I imply that I would expect anyone else to pay the costs?




I don't know. Why not ask parents?




So you don't think care of your children is worth very much?

And you live off the grid?
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:20 PM
 
Location: NY
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My opinion.
Universal Child care would be the greatest mistake to this country.
Laugh as you might............
A child needs the bonding of its' parents during infancy not strangers.
The mother needs to be at home with the baby not at work in a stressful environment.
This is not going to end well.................
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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These Democratic candidates sound like they're Oprah on a favorite things show. "You get a car! You get a car! And you get a car!"

Who the hell do you think will be paying for all these free things they want to give away and why aren't they concerned about the people on our streets, child trafficking, starving children and the opioid problem?

The middle class can't take all of the taxation that would be required for these things without sinking into poverty themselves.
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:51 PM
 
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wow someone reasonable on here... why is this forum a cesspit of weird republicans
You noticed?
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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My opinion.
Universal Child care would be the greatest mistake to this country.
Laugh as you might............
A child needs the bonding of its' parents during infancy not strangers.
The mother needs to be at home with the baby not at work in a stressful environment.
This is not going to end well.................
My mother was a career woman. She worked in a unionized facility. One day there was a union meeting where they would be complaining about the lack of national child care. Mom made a passing remark about being happy she didn't have to go to that one. When I asked her if she had some opposition to child care ( as she had certainly utilized it herself it seemed odd) she responded of course not. But these people seem to think the government is responsible for it. Why? Since when is the government responsible for people's childcare issues? When did this become government responsibility?
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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This is common sense and I totally agree. Anyone that takes quality care of any member of my family young or old is worth every penny of value that they place upon themselves. Warren is great in that she not only presents great policy but she has it all worked out in detail. She is a numbers and policy wonk with a history to prove it.
You know why this is really laughable? Because it shows you actually took that inane post you quoted seriously.

Certainly Eliz Warren hasn't diverged from the Kamala-led idea that all teachers deserve about a 20% raise right now ... therefore this would cost EVEN MORE.

No one requires both parents to work. No one requires folks to have kids. No one requires folks to choose some ultra-certified daycare where the workers get paid as if their job extends beyond keeping kids alive and safe and socializing them.


turning the corner, I'm wondering about this ...

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One in three households spends more than 20 percent of income on child care—three times the threshold considered “affordable†by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
What's considered the affordable level for healthcare? 50%?
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Old 04-25-2019, 09:22 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Why would Elizabeth Warren have anything to do with my hypothetical kids and where I choose to send them for childcare? I know plenty of people who are resentful of childcare cost, when to me it seems pretty reasonable for what they get, and it boggles my mind that they want to do their child's care on the cheap. I'm sorry it's expensive, but children are expensive.




Sorry, bub. No kids here. But if I had them, where did I imply that I would expect anyone else to pay the costs?




I don't know. Why not ask parents?




So you don't think care of your children is worth very much?
Dude, they're babysitters. Minimum wage types.
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:39 PM
 
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Why would you NOT want the people in charge of your kid(s) for a good percentage of their waking hours-- keeping them safe, fed, clean, educated, socialized, entertained, disciplined, etc.-- to be paid well??? I wouldn't think care and wellbeing of a vulnerable and helpless member of my family would be someplace I'd want to skimp.
That really isn't the point.

From the articles posted in the OP, the point is about tax payers subsidizing childcare on a national level as well as Warren thinking that the caregivers at accredited (I'm assuming they'd have to be accredited) daycare centers should be paid the same as public school teachers.

Keeping children at daycare centers, safe, fed, clean, "educated" etc., is already being done by daycare center care givers at their current salaries or hourly wages. If it isn't, then the daycare centers should be closed.

As it is, folks who don't have kids complain about their property tax dollars funding public schools. I don't blame them. To add to their taxes funding the daycare costs of people with children? No.

If you can't afford to have children and pay for their 6 week-4 year old "care" outside of the home and until public school kindergarten starts? Don't have them until you can.
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:59 PM
 
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Why would you NOT want the people in charge of your kid(s) for a good percentage of their waking hours-- keeping them safe, fed, clean, educated, socialized, entertained, disciplined, etc.-- to be paid well??? I wouldn't think care and wellbeing of a vulnerable and helpless member of my family would be someplace I'd want to skimp.
Have you checked out the cost of daycare? And that’s now with current pay. It was like a second mortgage payment every month for two small children.

Is she advocating for daycares to be government (taxpayer) funded and unionized? So we will be paying for kids to go to school from the cradle til they’re in their early to late 20s? The terrifying thing is every time she comes up with one of these ideas the rest of the candidates start talking about it or trying to go one better. And with her student loan forgiveness she may con enough people to vote for her. She needs to pick one and stick to that instead of being all over the map. She can’t have reparations, free college, student loan forgiveness AND subsidized daycare that pays its employees the same as degreed teachers all in the same platform. All while increasing the minimum wage and raising taxes on people who will just move their money somewhere else. I really hope people understand she’s just throwing unattainable proposals out there that she will never get passed.

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Old 04-25-2019, 11:11 PM
 
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Why would Elizabeth Warren have anything to do with my hypothetical kids and where I choose to send them for childcare? I know plenty of people who are resentful of childcare cost, when to me it seems pretty reasonable for what they get, and it boggles my mind that they want to do their child's care on the cheap. I'm sorry it's expensive, but children are expensive.




Sorry, bub. No kids here. But if I had them, where did I imply that I would expect anyone else to pay the costs?




I don't know. Why not ask parents?




So you don't think care of your children is worth very much?
And yet childless you will be paying the cost. How do you think she’s going to accomplish this? It will be taxpayer funded. It would have to be. There is no way she’s proposing that all these stay-at-home moms enter the workforce by paying higher daycare costs. These are the women who can’t afford childcare now. Do you ever think past the headline to what this would entail?
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