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I don't disagree that child care costs are prohibitively high. But does that mean teachers should be paid half of what their school age-teaching counterparts earn?
I don't disagree that child care costs are prohibitively high. But does that mean teachers should be paid half of what their school age-teaching counterparts earn?
Yes. If a parent wants better education for their 2-4yo child they can then pay for better education.
It's not your job to dictate their wages and make those child care facilities beyond the cost of low wage parents.
My money should not pay for your overly expensive child care.
Why shouldn't everyone be concerned that the people caring for the next generation are not well compensated? Why wouldn't anyone believe that employees should be compensated according to their educational achievements? Why are preschool teaching salaries so low? Why does this have to be spelled out to anyone past the age of 10?
we've already heard of one preschool teacher that makes $85K a year.
the proposal is just absolute insanity.
Nobody said "I want to send MY child to the cheapest daycare/preschool, and so I'm OK with paying all the workers minimum wage. Everything beyond that is irrelevant to me"
There are a variety of daycare/preschools out there. Some parents insist on rankings/stars/curriculums, etc ... and they have the opportunity to pay for those schools. Those schools typically have waiting lists, and they're also typically the most expensive.
Is Warren (and some here) trying to say:
If only we paid daycare/preschool workers better, then there could be more schools to meet the demand, and thus costs across the board would go down?
Or are they saying "everyone deserves a 5-star school for their child, so we'll pay to get the workers accredited, and then the US Gov will just subsidize the difference between 'basic care' and 'awesome care'". Because THEN, you have 100% demand for that.
I don't disagree that child care costs are prohibitively high. But does that mean teachers should be paid half of what their school age-teaching counterparts earn?
Babysitters (also known as daycare attendants and/or preschool teachers) AREN'T worth half, not even close to what a high school earth science, biology, chemistry, physics, basic math, algebra, trigonometry, calculus, French, German, English, Spanish, sociology, psychology, American history, world history, speech, physical education, JROTC, shop or ANY other high school teacher is worth.
If the "soup nazi" from Seinfeld were here he'd scream, "No soup for you!"
You want a participation trophy for a race you didn't run, much less win. You want a teacher's salary... no, a professor's salary because you chose a field that meant a lot to you but wasn't financially rewarding. I get it. My wife is a licensed master social worker because she believes it's needed. She knew there wouldn't be much pay unless she went to work for the government, specifically for vets suffering from PTSD, but she felt compelled, just like you, to do it for the children. She had to accept the pay. Her reward, her "trophy" was knowing she helped young children.
I don't care how many times people like you stomp your feet, proclaiming it unfair, a janitor does not and will not bring the same value to a company as a manager or a CEO. Trying to demand they be paid the same does NOT equate to them having the same value to the organization. The same can be said for the baby sitters who watch children in day care. This is such low level economics, well then again, they probably don't teach economics in baby sitting college classes, do they?
Too bad - state-licensed early education is here, and it's here to stay.
Curriculum based, state licensed early education is already here, and has been for 25 years. Parents demand it and the state department of education demands it. State licensed early childhood education has educational requirements for teachers. If you don't like it, take it up with your state legislature.
the parents that demand it, pay for it.
state DOE's require certain accreditations of those schools who are selling the highest level of curriculum/care. and of those who are subsidized by said government.
I don't disagree that child care costs are prohibitively high. But does that mean teachers should be paid half of what their school age-teaching counterparts earn?
is there a state public school department that is over-capacity of teachers?
yeah reasoning only with emotion is super reasonable
Huh??? Yes I would like childcare professionals to get paid more. That's really not unreasonable seeing how rich the US is and how much wealth is hoarded at the top. God, conservatism is just pure projection. Nearly all US conservative beliefs are based on emotion, not fact; no more immigration because muh culture, cut taxes for the rich because i feel like it'll trickle down when every major peer-reviewed study out there disagrees with that premise... I can go on.
So we are arguing the same point apparently. My kids went to an excellent daycare, and most of the employees were young moms who got a break on their own daycare expenses. They were sweet and took care of my kids really well. I hope most of those girls furthered their education and went on to bigger things. The pay sucks but there are some perks.
They got training too. They were more than babysitters.
For all the conservative huffing and puffing over "muh freedom" it does seem odd that you're ok with people basically being forced to partake in a job to get their child educated. But anyway, this is your own personal anecdote, many childcare workers are working class and are barely getting by, why should they not get a raise? If Trump's economy is so amazingly great why can't childcare workers get paid more?
God you people just love pushing down.
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