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Old 05-06-2019, 05:18 PM
 
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The OP was not clear about the status of the worker he described. He didn't say he was here illegally nor did he indicate that he was. Sometimes, legal immigrants will be deported because of any violation of law, such as a speeding ticket.

I think that this outstanding worker, with his skills and dedication to good, honest labor, will land on his feet, wherever he was sent and find success------at least we can hope that is the case.
You would have to get a ton of speeding tickets (or a felony/misdemeanor) then lie about it in order to get deported with a work visa or green card.

Based on the OP's description of the situation, that wasn't the case.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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They dont deport people here legally for a speeding ticket.
No they don’t. He probably had 100lbs of cocaine and a dead body in the trunk.

But hey, he’s a hard worker and should be granted citizenship ��
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:39 PM
 
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I haven't worked out all the angles, but it sure seems that this is exactly the type of immigrant who should be here on a guest visa or...after 14 years of paying taxes with multiple people to vouch for his work ethic, etc - should have a path to citizenship (he speaks perfect English, etc.).....
Doesn't sound like he was here on a guest visa. There is already a path to citizenship. You apply and wait in line. Doesn't sound like he did that, either.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Someone who thumbed their noses at our immigration laws is not "the best person" and aren't honest. It's a myth that illegal aliens work harder than Americans. They work cheap and that's what these greedy employers want it's not that most American workers are lazy. I am sick of that hateful, lying, anti-American BS used as an excuse to flood our country with these law breakers. How does one fill out the proper papers if they don't have a valid SS number to work? Felony ID theft is ok now?
The immigrants may simply over-extend their work visa. The SS number comes when they're legal temporary workers.

Oftentimes, they don't go back home because a farmer wants them to stay on after the visa expires.

These guys are often the best farm managers a property owner can find at any wage. And like any good manager anywhere, the migrant often takes up the offer to stay on because he's ambitious, young, and sees an opportunity to do better.

I know at least 6 men who did this. They all became naturalized citizens eventually, and now have stable families here.

This is not to say that a native-born citizen won't work any harder. I'm sure some would. But the Mexicans who come here to work our fields come with some real solid farming skills and a great amount of knowledge on what it takes to bring in a good crop.
There are fewer native-born Americans who have any of those skills, and none have the experience. A productive farm cannot wait around until an unexperienced beginner to develop those skills.

And these days, modern farming methods does not leave any room for mistakes at all. Anyone who walks onto a farm has to know how to do the work. They have to know enough to avoid making a $200,000 mistake right from the first day onward.

Mexicans use the same technology on their large farms as we use. We sell that equipment to Mexico. Mexico is by no means a 3rd world nation. And those youngsters who don't know how to use all the computerization are like our kids; they learn it fast.

More importantly, those men who come here to work on farms understand everything that happens from the time the soil is broken to the time the crop is harvested and in safe storage. They already know when the best day to plant comes, the best day to start the water on that crop, the best way to kill the pests that want to eat it up, and the best time the harvest should begin.

They know how to avoid being injured on the job, know how to keep the tractor running and know the implements. They understand the soil they're working on, the life that work dictates, and the forces of nature.

All things no beginner ever knows unless they have grown up in the life. No city kid ever can learn it all, nor can a kid raised in the suburbs.

It's not greed that causes the farm owner to urge his worker to stay on, it's necessity. Especially when the average native-born American farmer is now over 65 years old. If his kids aren't farming his place, there is no one but a Mexican who can do the job and keep the farm's narrow profit still profitable.

And when an American farm has been in one family for 100 years, often the average now, the farmer doesn't give a tinker's damn whether his good hired man is legal or not. If he isn't, the farm owner will find a way to make him legal.

And he sure doesn't care about what your opinions are about his plight. Why should he? You will still eat the groceries he grows for you. You need him and his Mexican a lot more than either one of them needs you.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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The immigrants may simply over-extend their work visa. The SS number comes when they're legal temporary workers.

Oftentimes, they don't go back home because a farmer wants them to stay on after the visa expires.

These guys are often the best farm managers a property owner can find at any wage. And like any good manager anywhere, the migrant often takes up the offer to stay on because he's ambitious, young, and sees an opportunity to do better.

I know at least 6 men who did this. They all became naturalized citizens eventually, and now have stable families here.

This is not to say that a native-born citizen won't work any harder. I'm sure some would. But the Mexicans who come here to work our fields come with some real solid farming skills and a great amount of knowledge on what it takes to bring in a good crop.
There are fewer native-born Americans who have any of those skills, and none have the experience. A productive farm cannot wait around until an unexperienced beginner to develop those skills.

And these days, modern farming methods does not leave any room for mistakes at all. Anyone who walks onto a farm has to know how to do the work. They have to know enough to avoid making a $200,000 mistake right from the first day onward.

Mexicans use the same technology on their large farms as we use. We sell that equipment to Mexico. Mexico is by no means a 3rd world nation. And those youngsters who don't know how to use all the computerization are like our kids; they learn it fast.

More importantly, those men who come here to work on farms understand everything that happens from the time the soil is broken to the time the crop is harvested and in safe storage. They already know when the best day to plant comes, the best day to start the water on that crop, the best way to kill the pests that want to eat it up, and the best time the harvest should begin.

They know how to avoid being injured on the job, know how to keep the tractor running and know the implements. They understand the soil they're working on, the life that work dictates, and the forces of nature.

All things no beginner ever knows unless they have grown up in the life. No city kid ever can learn it all, nor can a kid raised in the suburbs.

It's not greed that causes the farm owner to urge his worker to stay on, it's necessity. Especially when the average native-born American farmer is now over 65 years old. If his kids aren't farming his place, there is no one but a Mexican who can do the job and keep the farm's narrow profit still profitable.

And when an American farm has been in one family for 100 years, often the average now, the farmer doesn't give a tinker's damn whether his good hired man is legal or not. If he isn't, the farm owner will find a way to make him legal.

And he sure doesn't care about what your opinions are about his plight. Why should he? You will still eat the groceries he grows for you. You need him and his Mexican a lot more than either one of them needs you.
Illegal is illegal. Deport them all.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Illegal is illegal. Deport them all.
And then they’ll have just have to issue more guest worker visas. Because employers can’t find enough Americans to do the jobs.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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And then they’ll have just have to issue more guest worker visas. Because employers can’t find enough Americans to do the jobs.
Sure they can, if they're willing to pay the wage/benefits that Americans demands and lower their expectations of skills.

That's how the free market should work.
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:24 PM
 
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And then they’ll have just have to issue more guest worker visas. Because employers can’t find enough Americans to do the jobs.
And what's the problem with that?
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:32 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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If these workers are needed, then we need to fix our broken immigration system so that people like him can come here legally. Obviously he was illegal (had already broken the law) because a legal immigrant won't be deported over a parking ticket. Fix the immigration system so the good ones can get in.
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:37 PM
 
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If these workers are needed, then we need to fix our broken immigration system so that people like him can come here legally. Obviously he was illegal (had already broken the law) because a legal immigrant won't be deported over a parking ticket. Fix the immigration system so the good ones can get in.
We already do that! We have several visa programs. We cannot be the employment agency to the whole world. We cannot do that just because someone is "good". It should be based on our needs not the immigrants needs.
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