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Old 06-21-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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As we all know, the big part of "American Dream" is to own a home. But, there is one caveat to it: there is absolutely no way to really "own" home in USA. The reason? Taxes.

Here is the explanation: the word "own" means your irrevocable right to do anything with the item you "own". For example, you bought a T-shirt and honestly paid in full for it. Now it is totally yours. Nobody, ever, under no condition can lawfully take it away from you. Plus, you are totally free to do anything you want with it: wear it for a century, or burn it next day - it's totally yours.

But this is absolutely not the case with the real estate. Even if you paid for your home completely, you are still obligated to pay property taxes every year. And, if you don't pay, government will rob the house from you. There is no way in the world this could be called "owning". At best, you are renting. So, the word "homeowner" is a blatant lie and deception. (And that I'm not going into the whole mess of HOA).

So, "American Dream" (well, at least big part of it) is by the very definition deception and a lie.
Bummer.
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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What an absurd post.

When you buy a home you are making an investment not just in a house but in a community.

Communities need common services which are funded by taxes.

Signed,
A millennial home owner
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:02 PM
 
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What an absurd post.

When you buy a home you are making an investment not just in a house but in a community.

Communities need common services which are funded by taxes.

Signed,
A millennial home owner
You are not home owner. Try not to pay your rent (that they call taxes), and see how your "investment" all of a sudden becoming not yours, but governments'.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:25 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
What an absurd post.

When you buy a home you are making an investment not just in a house but in a community.

Communities need common services which are funded by taxes.

Signed,
A millennial home owner
Speak for yourself.
I am investing in myself and my future. I never lived in a town or city and that was by intent. I like my space and don't like dealing with nosy neighbors. I can't even imagine the tortures of a HOA. The reason I mention HOA's is because they will use your argument, almost word for word.

While I am not opposed to paying fair taxes, I am opposed to the idea that only homeowners and landowners have skin in the game. Especially seniors who no longer have kids in school.

If you want to invest in your community fine, donate money for the walking path or community park. Don't impose your grand plan on everyone else.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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As we all know, the big part of "American Dream" is to own a home.
Well, you got one thing right. What you wrote here, is a lie.

The American Dream only touched on homes tangentially.

The American Dream was to be free to do whatever you wanted or needed, free from unasked interference or coercion from others, to provide for the livelihoods, safety, and comfort of you and yours. "Yours" might extend to your loved ones, family, neighbors, friends, and even country.

That might include the freedom to provide for food, shelter (a home), self-defense, prosperity, etc.

The American Dream was to be secure in the knowledge that everything you did, would go directly to providing what you and yours needed to survive and live well. Without unasked interference from others.

A home was only part of it. And for some people, a relatively minor part.

The American Dream was freedom. And the responsibility that always comes with it.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:39 PM
 
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Speak for yourself.
I am investing in myself and my future. I never lived in a town or city and that was by intent. I like my space and don't like dealing with nosy neighbors. I can't even imagine the tortures of a HOA. The reason I mention HOA's is because they will use your argument, almost word for word.

While I am not opposed to paying fair taxes, I am opposed to the idea that only homeowners and landowners have skin in the game. Especially seniors who no longer have kids in school.

If you want to invest in your community fine, donate money for the walking path or community park. Don't impose your grand plan on everyone else.

Yeah, and while you're at it, please stop road maintenance, police/sheriff protection, and fire protection.
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:49 PM
 
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Well, you got one thing right. What you wrote here, is a lie.

The American Dream only touched on homes tangentially.

The American Dream was to be free to do whatever you wanted or needed, free from unasked interference or coercion from others, to provide for the livelihoods, safety, and comfort of you and yours. "Yours" might extend to your loved ones, family, neighbors, friends, and even country.

That might include the freedom to provide for food, shelter (a home), self-defense, prosperity, etc.

The American Dream was to be secure in the knowledge that everything you did, would go directly to providing what you and yours needed to survive and live well. Without unasked interference from others.

A home was only part of it. And for some people, a relatively minor part.

The American Dream was freedom. And the responsibility that always comes with it.
Quote fro wiki:
"The meaning of the "American Dream" has changed over the course of history, and includes both personal components (such as home ownership and upward mobility) and a global vision".

And even from your own words, "unasked interference" is also applicable to real estate taxes. I don't know any person who "asked" to pay taxes
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Old 06-21-2019, 11:53 PM
 
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Yeah, and while you're at it, please stop road maintenance, police/sheriff protection, and fire protection.
Hmm. There are: 1) income taxes, 2) sales taxes, 3) property taxes.
First two are understandable, and should be used for exactly items you mention. But 3rd one basically deprives you from your property. You don't own anything that you have to perpetually pay taxes on. You are renting that.
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Old 06-22-2019, 05:55 AM
 
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That property tax "rent" would still be much less (magnitude variable based on local tax rate) than what you'd pay to a landlord for a similar house. You may not realize it, but most renters do pay property tax indirectly (e.g. if a tax increase is approved then expect your rent to likewise go up). If anything, if you're in a state like mine, you (indirectly) pay MORE property tax by renting since rental property doesn't qualify for a "homestead exemption" (which reduces the rate) like a house that you own and are living in does.
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Old 06-22-2019, 06:35 AM
 
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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is the American dream. The idea that everyone has a right to compel others to provide them with all the things they need in life is the leftist subversion of the American dream.
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