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The manager at the local Wendy's is Haitian. Amazingly, so is the entire staff. (I guess no non-Haitians ever apply at Wendys). Down the road it's all Mexicans/Guatemalans running and operating the McDonalds. Literally not a single white or black person. The Chick-Fil-A is the most diverse staff. Ironic.
I’ve had some real interesting interactions with South Asians in the last 20 years. In more than a few cases, I’ve had to resist my urge to smack their head completely off their necks for blatantly disrespectful behavior. They seemingly hold everyone else in complete contempt.
When I was in the freight brokering business, it was much worse. They dominate much of the produce hauling business out here in the west, and many of our encounters were extremely tenuous...putting it mildly. One of my colleagues was about to pour ice water on me after one particular encounter in Modesto because i was so damn overheated.
Many of them are nice people, but the goddamn arrogance of some of them is astonishing.
The Telugu cancer is already destroying cities like Bangalore and Chennai back in India . Unfortunately it is spreading in America also.
I am surprised it happened here at Intel where I thouht the hiring and work standards are high.
I'm not. All you need is one manager or C-level person to start the ball rolling and before you know it, 70-80% of your department is speaking Telugu or Hindi.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
I’ve had some real interesting interactions with South Asians in the last 20 years. In more than a few cases, I’ve had to resist my urge to smack their head completely off their necks for blatantly disrespectful behavior. They seemingly hold everyone else in complete contempt.
When I was in the freight brokering business, it was much worse. They dominate much of the produce hauling business out here in the west, and many of our encounters were extremely tenuous...putting it mildly. One of my colleagues was about to pour ice water on me after one particular encounter in Modesto because i was so damn overheated.
Many of them are nice people, but the goddamn arrogance of some of them is astonishing.
Yes, yes, yes! There are some at my company who lie to my face when I have evidence to the contrary in black and white on my screen. I'll point at it, they'll shrug, and say "nope, wasn't me."
"Arrogant" is putting it mildly.
Why do we keep bringing them here?!?!?!?!?!?! Even the north Indians I work with don't like the ones from Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.
I'm not. All you need is one manager or C-level person to start the ball rolling and before you know it, 70-80% of your department is speaking Telugu or Hindi.
Why do we keep bringing them here?!?!?!?!?!?! Even the north Indians I work with don't like the ones from Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.
This is true. Several of my friends are in IT fields One is a database administrator. A manager above him in charge of hiring is from India and has been hiring the same for quite a while now.
My friend mentioned many are educated in their own country or somewhere else and don't carry the student debt load our citizens have so can work for less. The other part is that they simply want to be surrounded by other Indians. What they are doing shouldn't be accepted or shrugged off. It's not fair to anyone.
I'm not. All you need is one manager or C-level person to start the ball rolling and before you know it, 70-80% of your department is speaking Telugu or Hindi.
Yes, yes, yes! There are some at my company who lie to my face when I have evidence to the contrary in black and white on my screen. I'll point at it, they'll shrug, and say "nope, wasn't me."
"Arrogant" is putting it mildly.
Why do we keep bringing them here?!?!?!?!?!?! Even the north Indians I work with don't like the ones from Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.
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Originally Posted by motownnative
This is true. Several of my friends are in IT fields One is a database administrator. A manager above him in charge of hiring is from India and has been hiring the same for quite a while now.
My friend mentioned many are educated in their own country or somewhere else and don't carry the student debt load our citizens have so can work for less. The other part is that they simply want to be surrounded by other Indians. What they are doing shouldn't be accepted or shrugged off. It's not fair to anyone.
I’ve learned that they have to be handled VERY roughly. You can’t bend or kowtow to them even the tiniest bit. I’m cordial and tactful, but extremely firm and abrupt with them. No small talk, and no gladhanding. They just don’t respect you if you don’t treat them with the same brusque arrogance that they themselves use on all non Indians.
About a year ago, I had to come down HARD on a hotel owner and his wife at a hotel in Trinidad, Colorado after they got sideways with my wife at the front desk during a check in. I’m waiting in the car for her to come out and she was clearly shaken up over the encounter when she got back to the car. I thought I was gonna end up in prison for being so pissed off and ready to choke someone. I won’t go into the details, but it was just one more bad encounter with a South Asian to add to my huge list of bad encounters.
I don’t know why they come here and behave this way....it’s like they have no situational awareness relative to where they are. If they behave like that here, what the hell are they doing back home? It’s mind boggling, but I’m determined to nip it in the bud immediately when I recognize it. I’m not tolerating it.
The new book on the Theranos disaster in the Silicon Valley repeatedly talks about the South Asian VP of that company, Ramesh Bulwani, who absolutely terrorized the non Indian staff. I would’ve beat his ass into a coma before I would’ve put up with that kinda treatment. I’m shocked that no one kicked a hole in his head.
I’ve learned that they have to be handled VERY roughly. You can’t bend or kowtow to them even the tiniest bit. I’m cordial and tactful, but extremely firm and abrupt with them. No small talk, and no gladhanding. They just don’t respect you if you don’t treat them with the same brusque arrogance that they themselves use on all non Indians.
About a year ago, I had to come down HARD on a hotel owner and his wife at a hotel in Trinidad, Colorado after they got sideways with my wife at the front desk during a check in. I’m waiting in the car for her to come out and she was clearly shaken up over the encounter when she got back to the car. I thought I was gonna end up in prison for being so pissed off and ready to choke someone. I won’t go into the details, but it was just one more bad encounter with a South Asian to add to my huge list of bad encounters.
I don’t know why they come here and behave this way....it’s like they have no situational awareness relative to where they are. If they behave like that here, what the hell are they doing back home? It’s mind boggling, but I’m determined to nip it in the bud immediately when I recognize it. I’m not tolerating it.
The new book on the Theranos disaster in the Silicon Valley repeatedly talks about the South Asian VP of that company, Ramesh Bulwani, who absolutely terrorized the non Indian staff. I would’ve beat his ass into a coma before I would’ve put up with that kinda treatment. I’m shocked that no one kicked a hole in his head.
I've learned over the years that I have to be blunt and abrupt with them to the point of rudeness, then I have to switch gears immediately and turn back into "nice" BigDGeek when speaking to people of others nationalities.
I'm not like that with all people from India. Just the Telugu speakers.
Why is it a lot of tech support and some other computer jobs are often given to people from India or of Indian descent? For the purpose of this post, this includes all ethnic Indian types! I know that it is cheaper and there are many Indians who are techno-savvy, but why is often Indians specifically?
Why is it a lot of tech support and some other computer jobs are often given to people from India or of Indian descent? For the purpose of this post, this includes all ethnic Indian types! I know that it is cheaper and there are many Indians who are techno-savvy, but why is often Indians specifically?
Simple economics.
Fact is though, if we as Americans wanted to make the damn investment, we could find all the tech savvy people we wanted right here. But we’d rather pour the money into dumb **** like $180 million dollar drones. Investing it in education is “socialism.”
Why is it a lot of tech support and some other computer jobs are often given to people from India or of Indian descent? For the purpose of this post, this includes all ethnic Indian types! I know that it is cheaper and there are many Indians who are techno-savvy, but why is often Indians specifically?
At the time of the dot.com boom, there were few Indians working in IT in the US. India has over 1 billion people, many of whom speak English (to a degree) and who still view living and working in the United States as the ultimate bragging right. Many cultures are status-conscious (American culture included), but I think it's not really possible for an American to understand just how big of a deal it is for them to come here.
They're also lied to and told that Americans are stupid, lazy, and incapable of doing this work. Doesn't really make sense that a country full of mouth-breathing lazy individuals could build a society like what we have, but they also buy the line that this country is built by "hard-working immigrants."
Then there's the Asian tendency to push their children into fields like engineering, medicine, and science. This is common in many developing countries but much more so in Asia. (You also see it in various African countries.) These fields are favored by parents because they're a "sure path" to success. A liberal arts or classical education is not valued in developing nations. So you have an overrepresentation of young people studying these three fields. Liberal arts degrees are for rich nations.
Then you have a critical mass of Indian immigrants who have effectively taken over entire departments, entire neighborhoods, entire schools. They are fiercely tribal and will take care of their own; that's something Americans could learn from them, actually. If we took care of each other (meaning Americans caring for Americans regardless of ethnicity) the way they take care of their own, we'd be in a much better position. But we won't...because that's "racist."
And there you have it.
The number of Indians living in the US seems very large...hell, some neighborhoods are majority Indian...but you're still talking about a country of over 1 billion people. The Indian population here is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the total number of Indians on Earth.
That means there are millions more waiting in the wings to come here and gorge at the trough.
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