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Old 09-01-2019, 07:57 PM
 
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Takes a male and female and both are equally responsible for the outcome of unprotected sex.

The poorer the population, the higher the birth rate. Niger is the country with the highest global birth rate and no social Welfare System. In contrast, Iceland has a solid Nordic Welfare System and one of the lowest birth rates in the world.

The US birth rate is almost half of what it was in the 50’s, before LBJ’s War on Poverty. It is now at the lowest point since data has been recorded, 120 years ago. The decline crosses all races/ ethnicities.
None of those points have anything to do with what I'm saying and are apples and oranges. If we stop giving poor women more welfare to have more kids and remain unmarried, then these women will have fewer children and may even marry. And even if it doesn't have that effect of lowering births we still shouldn't pay for and subsidize the poor behavior.

The policy should be no extra welfare benefits for children born 9-10 months after receiving welfare.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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None of those points have anything to do with what I'm saying and are apples and oranges. If we stop giving poor women more welfare to have more kids and remain unmarried, then these women will have fewer children and may even marry. And even if it doesn't have that effect of lowering births we still shouldn't pay for and subsidize the poor behavior.

The policy should be no extra welfare benefits for children born 9-10 months after receiving welfare.
No one is going to allow children to go unsheltered or hungry in the US because of irresponsible bio parents.

The birth rate in the US has substantially declined over the past 50 years.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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Seems like alot of poor, single females are going from relationship to relationship having a baby as a trophy for each man and expecting hard-working Americans to pay every single penny for their massive housing vouchers, free utility bills, four-digit monthly food debit cards and respite daycare if they decide to make the welfare office happy by working in hour or two once in a while.

Sort of will be a crisis before long and will impact alot of different things next generation. There basically is huge segment of millennial women out there who are in poverty having baby after baby when they can't take of themselves and are clueless on how to raise a child even with a welfare bonanza from confiscated tax dollars.

The birth rates among poor women are absolutely stunning and I guarantee that it's going to have implications in 20 years when you have a tremendous amount of children growing up in absolutely horrid upbringings and then there is a large segment of middle and upper-middle class who skipped out on having children who have much more potential on average and would likely pay much more in taxes for the massive rise in retirees.

I admit it's a few years old but it's just incredible how millions and millions and millions of poor women babies each decade, one after another when they don't have the ability to take of themselves.

It's amazing how very low the birth rate has become for successful women who put in an honest 40 hours as opposed to those in poverty.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sexu...america-2015-3

I couldn't find recent statistics but 69 percent of women in poverty who have a baby do so out of wedlock

https://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram...wedlock-births
So then you are pro-abortion correct?
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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No one is going to allow children to go unsheltered or hungry in the US because of irresponsible bio parents.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying no public assistance for having children while receiving welfare. They'll have to rely on private assistance which I'm sure plenty of people will offer or get married if they want to keep getting pregnant.


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The birth rate in the US has substantially declined over the past 50 years.
But it has disproportionately decreased less than it should with the dumb and poor and decreased more than it should among the intelligent and successful who are subsidizing the poor and dumb to give births.
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying no public assistance for having children while receiving welfare. They'll have to rely on private assistance which I'm sure plenty of people will offer or get married if they want to keep getting pregnant.




But it has disproportionately decreased less than it should with the dumb and poor and decreased more than it should among the intelligent and successful who are subsidizing the poor and dumb to give births.
Think of it as an investment for the future of the u.s.

America’s declining birth rate is a warning sign for millions of people’s finances

Here are some ways the falling fertility rate may impact Americans in the years ahead:
  • The fertility rate could foreshadow an economic downturn
  • Families with fewer kids save money, but that may not be enough
  • This will further compound declining Social Security contributions
Americans aren't making enough babies to replace ourselves

"For the population to reproduce itself at current numbers, the “total fertility rate” needs to be 2,100 births per 1,000 women of childbearing age over their lifetime, researchers for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in their report, released early Thursday. But the latest data show a current rate of just 1,765.5 per 1,000, or 16 percent below the number needed to keep the population stable without additions through immigration."


What does America's falling birth rate mean to the economy? Just look at Arizona

"According to Jim Chang, Arizona's state demographer, public school grade sizes are starting to shrink, which could mean that the education system will need to contract in coming years. The state will also have to pay less for Medicaid for poor children.

"Clearly, it will take pressure off the welfare system if women have delayed childbirth and they're in the labor force," says Elliott Pollack, a Scottsdale-based economics consultant.

Since most of the decline in Arizona's births were likely unintended pregnancies, the state's children may be better prepared for success in the future, says Elizabeth Wildsmith, a family demographer at Child Trends, a non-profit research group that studies youth well-being."


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Old 09-01-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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Think of it as an investment for the future of the u.s.

America’s declining birth rate is a warning sign for millions of people’s finances

Here are some ways the falling fertility rate may impact Americans in the years ahead:
  • The fertility rate could foreshadow an economic downturn
  • Families with fewer kids save money, but that may not be enough
  • This will further compound declining Social Security contributions
Americans aren't making enough babies to replace ourselves

"For the population to reproduce itself at current numbers, the “total fertility rate” needs to be 2,100 births per 1,000 women of childbearing age over their lifetime, researchers for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in their report, released early Thursday. But the latest data show a current rate of just 1,765.5 per 1,000, or 16 percent below the number needed to keep the population stable without additions through immigration."


What does America's falling birth rate mean to the economy? Just look at Arizona

"According to Jim Chang, Arizona's state demographer, public school grade sizes are starting to shrink, which could mean that the education system will need to contract in coming years. The state will also have to pay less for Medicaid for poor children.

"Clearly, it will take pressure off the welfare system if women have delayed childbirth and they're in the labor force," says Elliott Pollack, a Scottsdale-based economics consultant.

Since most of the decline in Arizona's births were likely unintended pregnancies, the state's children may be better prepared for success in the future, says Elizabeth Wildsmith, a family demographer at Child Trends, a non-profit research group that studies youth well-being."


^ See cash back aren't you glad you invested.
I don't want the US to become a mixed population more mixed than Brazil and with a population of India's or china's. Per capita that would mean more poverty, dystopia and dysgenics.
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:47 PM
 
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I don't want the US to become a mixed population more mixed than Brazil and with a population of India's or china's. Per capita that would mean more poverty, dystopia and dysgenics.
Then white people better start pumping out some kids then.
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:54 PM
 
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Then white people better start pumping out some kids then.
We don't need more white population in this country either at least not from the stock who are low class and on welfare. We have over 200 million white Americans as it is. We just need to end open borders, mass, global immigration, and welfare for having more babies.
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:59 PM
 
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We don't need more white population in this country either at least not from the stock who are low class and on welfare. We have over 200 million white Americans as it is. We just need to end open borders, mass, global immigration, and welfare for having more babies.
Apparently you missed, "The state will also have to pay less for Medicaid for poor children."
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Old 09-01-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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Apparently you missed, "The state will also have to pay less for Medicaid for poor children."
Immigrant families use more welfare, not less than native born. Even illegals use public supported medical care leave alone immigrants.
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