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Old 09-03-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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How many times are you going to repeat this when I have said since it is the woman that gets pregnant it should be her that should abstain, use born control or make sure her sexual partner does. No one is taking the responsibility off the man altogether but he isn't the one that can get pregnant.
Well that hardly matters if a child results from the pregnancy. He is no less responsible for his child because he didn't incubate it.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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The average tax return for a mother of 3-4 kids is $10,000.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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If a person waits until they can afford them, they will never have them. Life is not perfect, waiting for perfection in marriage and children ... the person is going to be waiting a very very long time.


We are people, not money, I wish people would stop acting as if we were ...



Welfare recipient mother of eight children
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Welfare bonanza: 72 births per 1,000 single women in poverty compared to 15 per 1,000 single women at 400% plus poverty-marie-b.-welfare-recipient-8-kids  
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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The average tax return for a mother of 3-4 kids is $10,000.
link?
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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Yes, looked at it the other night:
Total fertility rate in the United States in 2017, by ethnicity of mother (births per 1,000 women)

"Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander women had the highest fertility rate of any ethnicity in the United States in 2017, with about 2,085.5 births per 1,000 women. The fertility rate for all ethnicities in the U.S. was 1,765.5 births per 1,000 women."
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That's not out of wedlock births, the issue you yourself indicated was contributing so much to Medicaid having to pay for 50% of US births.
You're working in an office with 5 other people. 4 of those people quit and you get to do those 4 people's work load along with yours because the CEO announced they are not hiring 4 more people, as you are doing just find incorporating their workload into yours.



What does America's falling birth rate mean to the economy? Just look at Arizona

"According to Jim Chang, Arizona's state demographer, public school grade sizes are starting to shrink, which could mean that the education system will need to contract in coming years. The state will also have to pay less for Medicaid for poor children.

"Clearly, it will take pressure off the welfare system if women have delayed childbirth and they're in the labor force," says Elliott Pollack, a Scottsdale-based economics consultant.

Since most of the decline in Arizona's births were likely unintended pregnancies, the state's children may be better prepared for success in the future, says Elizabeth Wildsmith, a family demographer at Child Trends, a non-profit research group that studies youth well-being."
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Again at least some one is having babies ...
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:01 AM
 
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Well that hardly matters if a child results from the pregnancy. He is no less responsible for his child because he didn't incubate it.
I agree 100%, but when an IL Republican state legislator introduced a bill that required a woman to name her baby's father on the birth certificate to be eligible for pubic assistance benefits, the Dems wanted NO part of that.

Naming the father enables the state to garnish his wages and/or seize his assets (bank acct, etc.) for child support.
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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Welfare recipient mother of eight children
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuHJbwrO6Zw>
Great Depression, when no one got anything and went hungry ... but the politicians lined their pockets and sent their kids to Harvard and Yale. Those were the good 'ole days that the u.s. citizens miss.
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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You're working in an office with 5 other people. 4 of those people quit and you get to do those 4 people's work load along with yours because the CEO announced they are not hiring 4 more people, as you are doing just find incorporating their workload into yours.
Who exactly do you think funds the 50% of births paid for by Medicaid and the 70% of such offspring who never rise above the poverty level and are life-long public assistance dependents? All adding more poor to the mix in highly disproportionate amounts results in is MUCH higher taxpayer funding needed to provide their public assistance benefits. That's a BIG problem when only 55% of US 1040 filers pay any federal income tax at all.
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:44 AM
 
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I agree 100%, but when an IL Republican state legislator introduced a bill that required a woman to name her baby's father on the birth certificate to be eligible for pubic assistance benefits, the Dems wanted NO part of that.

Naming the father enables the state to garnish his wages and/or seize his assets (bank acct, etc.) for child support.
Saying its the woman who gets pregnant so the responsibility should be on her shoulders is sending the wrong message. I totally believe women need to take responsibility and behave more responsibility concerning birth control but so do men. The state will hold men financially responsible. I think that would be incentive enough for men to take responsibility for there reproduction also.
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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How many times are you going to repeat this when I have said since it is the woman that gets pregnant it should be her that should abstain, use born control or make sure her sexual partner does. No one is taking the responsibility off the man altogether but he isn't the one that can get pregnant.
I don't agree. Will leave it at that.
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