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are you aware that they're actually not getting rid of emissions standards?
apparently not.
That is a very good point. The EPA may relax the standards a bit. But nobody of note is proposing doing away with them entirely. Just making them more rational.
How far is too far? Who gets to decide how much pollution is lethal? Even healthy people can die from poor air quality, as was shown in 1952 when the combination of massive coal burning and dormant air resulted in as many as 12,000 deaths over five days in London.
Bit by bit, the GOP chips away at environmental protections, rolling back air, water and soil standards day by day. It's all fun and games for the GOP until people start dying.
The Great Smog of 1952
For five days in December 1952, the Great Smog of London smothered the city, wreaking havoc and killing thousands.
"It wasn’t until undertakers began to run out of coffins and florists out of bouquets that the deadly impact of the Great Smog was realized. Deaths from bronchitis and pneumonia increased more than sevenfold. The death rate in London’s East End increased ninefold.
Initial reports estimated that about 4,000 died prematurely in the immediate aftermath of the smog.
The detrimental effects lingered, however, and death rates remained well above normal into the summer of 1953. Many experts now estimate the Great Smog claimed at least 8,000 lives, and perhaps as many as 12,000."
Don't be shocked to see this case cited by the DOJ in their submissions with regards to any litigation that is filed by California over this. This really is pretty close to a no-brainer.
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Because we do not need a single state setting the standards for the whole country. And even if we did, California is not the one we should want doing it. Texas would be a much better choice.
Am I to take it that Texas, Georgia, etc. are shoving their own standards of unionization of workers on all other states? No?
Then how can you say California's imposing air quality standards on other states?
More to the point: Every state is gonna have "uneven" laws (i.e. equivalent to imposing standards on other states). By that standard, we should simply either abolish states altogether or simply have states be "middle management" for the Federal authorities.
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In any case, this is good news because it stops the tail from wagging the dog on this issue.
I suppose the state with the worst air pollution standards is not "wagging the dog" when it comes to clean air. No? Then how can you say any other state "wags the dog"? Yeah, typical states rights supporter. It's "freedom" when it's a law I like, but it's "Washintun Innerference" when it's a law I'm against. What this really means is "That state deserves to be the standard by which all other states should pattern their laws". Which is fine IF there is evidence that it reduces harm and long-term instability to society. Otherwise, "states rights" is just cheap rhetoric.
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Also, far too much of California's environmental culture is driven by the Democrat left's politically contrived Anthropogenic Global Warming alarmism agenda, which is based to a significant degree on fradulent "science" that has been orchestrated around the promotion of this agenda.
Why do the vast majority of climate scientists say Athropogenic Global Warming is real? What does the National Academy of Science, the British Royal Society, and other internationally respected national scientific bodies say about Anthropogenic Global Warming? Hint: they also say it's real? The reason the right wing can't accept this is that it "innerferes with muh freeeeedoms!"
Just spitballin' here but I'm guessing auto manufactures don't have any taste to fly in the face of what in the minds of their largest domestic market or the other states that also follow those guidelines is a settled issue.
I'm also fairly certain given how integrated pollution controls are in a modern automobile they're not going to make any effort to re-engineer any products for domestic markets that choose to allow lesser standards. Gone are the days when unhooking a couple of hoses gets your around California smog control devices.
Do you really want to be the car company that in effect is telling your customers you don't care about clean air?
Because we do not need a single state setting the standards for the whole country. And even if we did, California is not the one we should want doing it. Texas would be a much better choice.
In any case, this is good news because it stops the tail from wagging the dog on this issue.
Also, far too much of California's environmental culture is driven by the Democrat left's politically contrived Anthropogenic Global Warming alarmism agenda, which is based to a significant degree on fradulent "science" that has been orchestrated around the promotion of this agenda.
This is good news for the lawyers. Because it will go to the Supreme Court, eventually. And I would think that the courts would rule that it is okay for states to impose more stringent standards, if they so choose. Less stringent standards would be a problem. But more stringent standards?
Am I to take it that Texas, Georgia, etc. are shoving their own standards of unionization of workers on all other states? No?
Then how can you say California's imposing air quality standards on other states?
One of the central is here is the regulation of interstate commerce, which is governed by the federal government as described in the US Constitution.
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