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Without reading thru all the pages in this thread, my first thought is, that this person is not a whistleblower. The person heard secondhand hearsay, and didn't like what the other person said, so this person complained about it.
If every time this president, or any future president did something that some peon in government heard about, but didn't like, and we turned it into a three ring circus event, there wouldn't be any president who would be able to do thir job.
I agree with George Conway. If it comes to an impeachment vote the GOP will throw Trump under the bus. Think about it. Before Trump, it was a sweet gig. Hillary gets elected and democrats have to do all the heavy lifting on healthcare. The GOP holds endless investigations, and then heads out for t-bone steaks and top shelf booze. Everybody wins, including the American people. Trump becomes President, and the whole thing falls apart. Now the GOP has to have a healthcare plan. They have to get up each day and defend some crazy thing Trump has said. Now their job is a total pain in the rear. See all the GOP retirements? Secretly the majority of the GOP must hate and despise Trump. Given the chance to get rid of him, they will stand up and say "I'm defending America. Guilty!" They want his butt in a sling as bad as the democrats. Once the writing is on the wall, even Trump dead enders will throw in the towel. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ent/ar-AAHPvoE
Interesting theory from a guy that has been dead wrong on every issue the past 3 years. George may be right that many republicans don’t want the fight, don’t want to do their jobs. But what George is conveniently forgetting about is the most powerful thing of all, the voters. They will not stand for their elected official giving into a takedown attempt of their elected president, the voters see this for what it is. No surprise a never Trumper elitist like George Conway forgets about the voters.
Actually, the initial claims of collusion and corruption have not gone away. This new complaint about leveraging US Federal foreign policy for a short term political gain? ... right on top of everything else he has done.
And Trump admits to what he has done, he freely acknowledged it. Trump did it (the 'Dems' didn't make it up), he admitted it thinking (or perhaps pretending) he did nothing wrong! Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and he has advisors who could have/should have warned him.
This new charge doesn't replace the other charges, it simply adds to them. From the first to the last they are piling up.
I see, so if a candidate running for president, like Biden, goes on TV and brags about committing a felony, as in blackmailing Ukraine to fire the attorney prosecuting Hunter Biden, then we cannot investigate them for it? Sounds like a scam, you commit a federal crime, and then run for president so you will be immune from investigations of your crime.
Many people think Obama and Biden were involved in the corruption in spying on the Trump campaign in 2016 and 2017. So I guess if the evidence incriminates Biden, gee golly wow, we just won't be able to investigate him. Cuz just like Hilary, the dems will have another unconvinced felon running for office.
If the FISA-gate case implicates Biden, then once again, the dems will expect the DOJ to dismiss a felony case, because the culprit is.... once again.... their candidate for president.
It kills the Dems to see Trump have any success, which is why they won’t pass the USMCA and instead place their focus on impeachment. They can’t stand that’s he’s appointed Supreme Court justices, passed tax reform through congress, is building the wall (that one really makes them mad).
They hate that they cannot even discuss the economy, jobs and unemployment during their Democrat Primary debates, because the economy and jobs under Trump is so freaking great. Which is why libs pray for a recession.... bad news for the US, is good news to dems.
Without reading thru all the pages in this thread, my first thought is, that this person is not a whistleblower. The person heard secondhand hearsay, and didn't like what the other person said, so this person complained about it.
If every time this president, or any future president did something that some peon in government heard about, but didn't like, and we turned it into a three ring circus event, there wouldn't be any president who would be able to do thir job.
The main issue there in our last sentence is that this is not just some person simply having an issue with the president. It is someone who went through a legal process to shine some light on what was going on. The president and his staff that tried to cover that complaint u. So your theory of "if every time, etc. etc. already doesn't hold up because this is basically the first time it has happened. And instead of allowing the complaint to go to Congress, Trump has fought it all the way.
As far as your allegation that the whistleblower is a "peon' maybe you have information on who they are that none of the rest of us do.
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What do people get out of defending Trump? Is it that he is sticking it to the "*******s"? Well, he is sticking it alright. Mainly to the taxpayers. Like his base. Let's see, he has no healthcare plan. He has stuck it to farmers with his tariffs. He plays golf all the time, at his own resorts. Food, lodging, cart fees, secret service nachos - you name it, Trump charges it. He "suggests" Pence drive across Ireland so he can stay at a Trump property. He whispers sweet nothings in Putin's ear, and wants no record kept. He says he is in "love" with the brutal dictator from North Korea. He yanks down his shorts and moons our allies around the world. He sleeps with porn stars and pays them off while married to his third wife. He made his political bones by pushing an Obama birther conspiracy. Now he admits to enlisting a foreign power to dig up dirt on Biden. Face it, his supporters don't know a thing about Trump. Who knows what he is capable of? One thing is for sure, what he has already done in office is enough to prove he is unfit. America deserves better leadership than that of a sleazy bankrupt casino operator.
What do you think about the secondhand-whistleblower claims?
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
1). Without reading thru all the pages in this thread, my first thought is, that this person is not a whistleblower. The person heard secondhand hearsay, and didn't like what the other person said, so this person complained about it.
2). If every time this president, or any future president did something that some peon in government heard about, but didn't like, and we turned it into a three ring circus event, there wouldn't be any president who would be able to do their job.
1). Judge Judy wouldn't listen to the 'whistleblower' because it was secondhand. No two people will relay what they see or hear the same, ever. It was his version of what he heard. I can't help thinking how much different Pita Schiff's pontificated paraphrasing', sounded from the transcript that I read. Maybe Schiff will finally tell the proof of collusion.
2). This is a great fear of mine. I can't imagine the internal pressure felt by our President. THEY are always listening. I really don't think the President of Ukraine knew he was talking to millions of Americans.
This poll proves how right wing this forum is now...
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Trump supporters won’t see it, until they believe it.
You make the assumption that this poll would be only on party lines - very false assumption. Maybe some are really looking at the data and see it as nothing.
1). Judge Judy wouldn't listen to the 'whistleblower' because it was secondhand. No two people will relay what they see or hear the same, ever. It was his version of what he heard. I can't help thinking how much different Pita Schiff's pontificated paraphrasing', sounded from the transcript that I read. Maybe Schiff will finally tell the proof of collusion.
So you think an impeachment hearing by Congress is the same thing as Judge Judy? Even if you said, "no trial judge would even listen..." you'd be slightly mistaken. Your mistake is comparing the opening of an investigation with the trial f a charged defendant? SPOILER -- Criminal investigations often begin with "second hand information."
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What do you think about the secondhand-whistleblower claims?
