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View Poll Results: What do you think about the whistleblower? Something, or nothing?
Just another nothing-burger 114 61.96%
Trump's in deep trouble this time 70 38.04%
Voters: 184. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-26-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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It kills the Dems to see Trump have any success, which is why they won’t pass the USMCA and instead place their focus on impeachment. They can’t stand that’s he’s appointed Supreme Court justices, passed tax reform through congress, is building the wall (that one really makes them mad).
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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Democrats want to impeach Trump based on a regular phone call he made to another nation's leader?

Anybody can see that this smells of childish desperation. Talk about wasting people's time.
With all due respect, "wasting people's time" is the very least of the adverse impacts. In reality, the DemocRATS, in their anti-American, desperate search for a High Crime or Misdemeanor, that they can fabricate to use against a duly elected President jeopardizes our political process and thereby our very freedom. Literally, our nation is at stake, placed in harm's way by the DemocRATS on an hourly basis.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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Yeah sorry, not buying your spin. Sounds exactly like Trump/Russia lies, Dems have cried wolf once too many. You have no facts to back up your claim, we read the transcript and nothing of the sort occurred. I can’t await to see what you guys come up with next.


It's all there in black and white:


FACT: The White House cut off military aid to Ukraine a week before Trump's phone call.
FACT: Trump's transcript says he asked Ukraine for help in investigating Biden.
FACT: The White House immediately took extraordinary steps to bury and hide the transcript.


There's a reason Pelosi is authorizing impeachment with lightning speed: the case against Trump is so clear, so rock solid, it's an open and shut case.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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It's all there in black and white:


FACT: The White House cut off military aid to Ukraine a week before Trump's phone call.
FACT: Trump's transcript says he asked Ukraine for help in investigating Biden.
FACT: The White House immediately took extraordinary steps to bury and hide the transcript.


There's a reason Pelosi is authorizing impeachment with lightning speed: the case against Trump is so clear, so rock solid, it's an open and shut case.
Exactly. Innocent people don't try to cover up their non-crimes. That's my take from this. The Trump admn is going a long way to hide this whole thing.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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The dumacrats keep saying that his conversation was illegal and unconstitutional. Yet I haven't heard what law(s) or constitutional clauses were violated.

To use the OP terminology, it's a nothingburger.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What a stupid poll, every single Trump supporter thinks this is nothing. Every thinking person thinks this is Trump doing what he did in 2016, trying to cheat his way into an advantage over someone. The man has no moral compass and lies just as easily as I breathe.

This poll is LAME.
Nate Silver wrote that he got two opposite reactions from each side of the aisle.

There are also reports leaking out that there is another whistle blower waiting in line, but at the IRS--claiming undue influence and interference while auditing Trump's returns (while president--not old ones). Nobody who operates on the outskirts of the law, as Trump does, gets away with it forever.

"...Everyone either seems to think it’s either really bad for Trump, or not very damaging at all, with few people landing in between...."

"...And I’m not that rare person who hears it both ways. No. I’m on the side that says it’s bad for Trump. And like the Yanny or Laurel thing or The Dress, I have trouble seeing how people see it any other way...."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...y-bad-for-him/
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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You have to wonder about how people think. Politics is not a football game. There is no "our side" and "their side" - and blind alliance to a "side" shows poor thinking. Why would anybody endlessly defend Trump? He has a long history of misdeeds, from his Obama birther nonsense to the Central Park 5. It is not hard to believe that Trump is incompetent and unfit for office. It is also not hard to believe that he enlisted a foreign country to gather dirt on a political opponent. It is, however, hard to believe that Trump is pure as the driven snow, and has never done anything wrong. It is all a conspiracy by the liberal left. Does that make any sense? I don't say don't approach things with skepticism, but really - Trump is completely innocent of everything, all the time? I don't think so.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Sadly, history will look back on this time under the lens of human psychology.
How the leader of this country so infatuated his followers that they could see him do no wrong.
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Old 09-26-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The whistleblower complaint spells it out completely. Trump even fell for the Crowdstrike scam, which claimed there was a server in the Ukraine that would prove Russian interference in the 2016 election was made up. Basically, Trump is suffering from cognitive decline, fell for his version of an elder scam, and is now too far gone mentally to realize how he is damaging himself by trying to use the government to interfere in the 2020 election with the help of Ukraine.

Given his cognitive decline, the best course of action for the Republicans is to offer to invoke the 25th amendment to have Trump removed from office.
Source?
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Old 09-26-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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I agree with George Conway. If it comes to an impeachment vote the GOP will throw Trump under the bus. Think about it. Before Trump, it was a sweet gig. Hillary gets elected and democrats have to do all the heavy lifting on healthcare. The GOP holds endless investigations, and then heads out for t-bone steaks and top shelf booze. Everybody wins, including the American people. Trump becomes President, and the whole thing falls apart. Now the GOP has to have a healthcare plan. They have to get up each day and defend some crazy thing Trump has said. Now their job is a total pain in the rear. See all the GOP retirements? Secretly the majority of the GOP must hate and despise Trump. Given the chance to get rid of him, they will stand up and say "I'm defending America. Guilty!" They want his butt in a sling as bad as the democrats. Once the writing is on the wall, even Trump dead enders will throw in the towel.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ent/ar-AAHPvoE
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