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View Poll Results: In USA elections, is it legal or illegal to ask for assistance from a foreign entity?
With regard to election law in the USA asking for assistance from a foreign entity is generally legal. 7 9.86%
With regard to election law in the USA asking for assistance from a foreign entity is always illegal. 64 90.14%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-30-2019, 01:30 PM
 
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hb, there's a huge apparatus of right wing propaganda designed to misinform and manipulate you. Don't be afraid to admit you are mistaken. It is your fault for falling for that propaganda.
This is one of the things that you are brainwashed about. There is no apparatus of right-wing propaganda AT ALL. Not of any size.

There are right-wing people who post their views on the Internet, but the Right has no access to people who do not choose to listen. In contrast, the Left-wing apparatus is bundled with everything under the sun, so that people are exposed to it whether they want it or not. Most people never figure out they're being lied to and just go with what they're told.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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This is one of the things that you are brainwashed about. There is no apparatus of right-wing propaganda AT ALL. Not of any size.
Oh yes there is, and undoubtedly you spend at least a fair amount of time reading them.

Breitbart
Fox News
Gateway Pundit

And so on, and so forth. Right wing propaganda is all over the internet. That you believe there is no right wing propaganda on the internet, goes to show the depths of your brainwashing.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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This is one of the things that you are brainwashed about. There is no apparatus of right-wing propaganda AT ALL. Not of any size.

There are right-wing people who post their views on the Internet, but the Right has no access to people who do not choose to listen. In contrast, the Left-wing apparatus is bundled with everything under the sun, so that people are exposed to it whether they want it or not. Most people never figure out they're being lied to and just go with what they're told.
That's a ridiculous statement when the texas crowd and certain other billionaires have been working for generations to fool The People.

John Birch Society and many other right wing pubs came from Texas oil billionaires (the Hunts, for one). The Right, in the form of the Kochs, not only were the founders of John Birch and have purchased most of the Republican Party (even in the state legislators), but they have established untold orgs such as Heritage, Cato, etc. which were not grassroots in ANY sense. When you put your own money into establishing mouthpieces and think tanks that CLAIM they have nothing do with those BILLIONAIRE RESOURCE EXTRACTORS that made them, that's propaganda. When Exxon and other resource companies buy "scientists" by the dozen and then pay PR firms for "funny wording" of things, that's propaganda.

One could claim, with some validity, that the BIG DIFFERENCE is that left wing orgs (ACLU, etc.) fight for the actual constitution and The People while right wing ones hide behind astroturf and think tanks they finance and make others think they are grassroots.

In other words, any young person who wants to act as a "conservative" and is educated has a lifetime job awaiting them in DC for the vast network of paid-off sellouts. IMHO.

If these people were working for something else it would be a different story. But they want to lie to people and tell them oil spills are like peeing in the ocean. They want to tell us air pollution doesn't matter...and so on.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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What is wrong with outing the whistleblower?
By law and policy they are kept anonymous?
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Oh yes there is, and undoubtedly you spend at least a fair amount of time reading them.

Breitbart
Fox News
Gateway Pundit

And so on, and so forth. Right wing propaganda is all over the internet. That you believe there is no right wing propaganda on the internet, goes to show the depths of your brainwashing.
I just spit my milk thru my nose when I read that crap, lol.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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No, non sequitur.

First, you're presuming that Trump asked the Ukrainian government for election assistance. That's a tendentious partisan inference that you're imputing to everyone who answered no. That's not reasonable. People could vote no but think this wasn't a request for election assistance.
Good point, I forgot that case.

A lot of Trumpies simply don't live in reality any longer, so they couldn't approach the question from the same base of facts.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I just spit my milk thru my nose when I read that crap, lol.
If you do not think Fox News, Breitbart and Gateway Pundit are right wing propaganda, goes to show how insidious their effects are.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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If you do not think Fox News, Breitbart and Gateway Pundit are right wing propaganda, goes to show how insidious their effects are.
Well I don't think those are all equal though. They get progressively worse.

Fox News = conservative leaning news station that has conservative opinions while also reporting a basic summary of facts that is usually consistent with reality

Breitbart = zero facts reported without passing through an incredibly distorted far right viewpoint filter

Gateway Pundit = pure fantasy cooked up from the brains of right wing shock jocks who know how to monetize sensationalism into click bait $$
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Old 09-30-2019, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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These all mention a 'contribution or donation'...that would seem to indicate a money transaction. That's not what happened.
It states "or other thing of value" -- most people consider oppo research, and info on one's opponent that is helpful to the candidate (or dirt as it is more commonly called) from other countries, valuable.

And withholding US funds and weapons allocated for medicine and battle, until one obtains "something of value" is definitely illegal.
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Old 09-30-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Oh yes there is, and undoubtedly you spend at least a fair amount of time reading them.

Breitbart
Fox News
Gateway Pundit

And so on, and so forth. Right wing propaganda is all over the internet. That you believe there is no right wing propaganda on the internet, goes to show the depths of your brainwashing.
Those aren't right-wing. And they're not a coordinated apparatus. And they have no access to people who don't already share their views, which is the main point.

And, no, I never read any of those. So you better re-calibrate that "doubt" meter.
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