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Well, I guess you'll have to register for the next AmRen conference and get your copy of The Turner Diaries autographed.
@silverkris......refreshing to see your views versus so many alt-right Russian Bot views planted on here as propaganda to support that side of things. Others are watching and supporting you!
Excuse me? You mean if I'm non white, I have to show that I deserve the same rights that are given to white people, no questions asked, without their having to ask for it or prove it? Just because supposedly my ancestors lived in a more repressive country and that's OK?
Conditional equal rights? Really now.
Did you also just come back from an AmRen convention, too?
The rights whites have wasn't just given to them. They were conceived and fought for by them through their history. Minorities never did anything for whites and whites were never obligated to do anything for them. But all that is water under the bridge and a red herring. The point is all people including whites have a right to say how many and who can enter the country and under what terms. Some people want to act like white people should have no rights or sovereignty and their society they created is for everyone else's benefit.
The rights whites have wasn't just given to them. They were conceived and fought for by them through their history. Minorities never did anything for whites and whites were never obligated to do anything for them. But all that is water under the bridge and a red herring. The point is all people including whites have a right to say how many and who can enter the country and under what terms. Some people want to act like white people should have no rights or sovereignty and their society they created is for everyone else's benefit.
Wow. That's some historical revisionism going on here.
Rights for some people, but not for others. Should I really be grateful for that?
Minorities never did anything for whites? Ever hear of the plantations in the South, Massa Moe? Coolie labor on the transcontinental railroad? Generations of domestic helpers?
"The point is all people including whites have a right to say how many and who can enter the country and under what terms." Well, we've corrected the racist pre-1965 immigration laws, and yes --- we, including folks like me, have a right to dictate who can come into the country. You don't get to dictate that alone. It's lot more equitable now in terms of the origins of who comes here now.
"Some people want to act like white people should have no rights or sovereignty and their society they created is for everyone else's benefit."
Where did you come up with this one? The point is, white folks alone didn't create this society - it was with the efforts of ALL people that made it what it is. Ya'll just want to grab all the credit for it and don't acknowledge anyone else's efforts.
Dude, seriously...ya'll gotta learn to share. Didn't they teach you that in kindergarten?
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That "fighting back" is only tolerated in societies that already have a penchant for it due to cultural conditioning.
You don't get rights unless you convince a morally open society that you are deserving. In most other parts of the non-white world, the response to minority agitation for equality is not imperfect progress, but suppression.
Actually, what Black people started fighting back, they were subjected to things like lynchings and getting murdered. They were subjected to violent police officers beating them and spraying them with fire hoses. They were subjected to dogs being sicked on them.
When slaves rebelled against their slavery, the rebellion was put down and those involved were killed. America had a penchant for fighting back, but when it came to Black people, society had a penchant for trying to stop them from fighting back.
Your final paragraph is a farce. Considering that America had slavery (and the South was willing to rip this country apart to keep it), considering that Jim Crow was the rule in the South and other forms of legalized segregation/discrimination took place in the rest of the country, America was never a moral society. It was only an open society if you were White. America was never a moral society.
Blacks were always being suppressed in this country. U.S. history proves it. Black people should have never had to prove they were deserving. Blacks being kidnapped and brought here against their will, being enslaved in this country, and then after slavery, being subjected to more abuses. All of this, and Black people were still serving in the military, for this country. How ironic to go fight for the freedom of others in other countries, and you come home to find you're a 2nd class citizen in your own country. Blacks have done more than enough to prove they are deserving of rights in this country. They did more than enough, and often under duress.
Blacks have what they have today, not because America was a fair and open society. They have what they have because they fought back and exposed America for the hypocrisy it has historically been for Black people.
Wow. That's some historical revisionism going on here.
Rights for some people, but not for others. Should I really be grateful for that?
Minorities never did anything for whites? Ever hear of the plantations in the South, Massa Moe? Coolie labor on the transcontinental railroad? Generations of domestic helpers?
"The point is all people including whites have a right to say how many and who can enter the country and under what terms." Well, we've corrected the racist pre-1965 immigration laws, and yes --- we, including folks like me, have a right to dictate who can come into the country. You don't get to dictate that alone. It's lot more equitable now in terms of the origins of who comes here now.
"Some people want to act like white people should have no rights or sovereignty and their society they created is for everyone else's benefit."
Where did you come up with this one? The point is, white folks alone didn't create this society - it was with the efforts of ALL people that made it what it is. Ya'll just want to grab all the credit for it and don't acknowledge anyone else's efforts.
Dude, seriously...ya'll gotta learn to share. Didn't they teach you that in kindergarten?
More than historical revisionism, just plain old lies. And lies of the gaslight variety. We have plenty of historical evidence to show how minorities have contributed to this country, and all the while enduring discrimination and bigotry, in alot of cases, codified into law.
Let's call it what it is. You and me are debating with individuals who want an America in which no non-White people are allowed. Said persons want a "whites only" America. An America were people like you and me don't exist. That equitable society you speak of, it scares them. It means that minorities have a say as well. Minorities in this country does not constitute Whites not having rights. What is means is both Whites and non-Whites have the same rights. Anyone who is bothered by that is a bigot.
We all know they were taught certain things in kindergarten, some people aren't going to listen.
Why do white Americans have to "walk in someone else's shoes?" White folks' ancestors created the most free and open and fair-to-minority societies on the planet. People are lucky to be in the USA in comparison. Unless you're black, aint nobody forced you or your ancestors here.
So....just curious.... the countries where YOUR people hail from (the origin of the "minority culture" you're a member of).... they as free and open and fair to minorities as the US... or nah?
Awful lot of "non-white" people running around with chips on their shoulders in the US when the countries their own ancestors came from are absolute regressive ****holes that are awful places to be a minority. You offer no hope that a "non-white majority" country would be MORE fair to minorities. Since there are precious few examples of same in the world. So why on earth would any white person be comfortable with the alternative you present to the status quo?
Funny how that works.
Oh, based on this, I guess white Eastern European immigrants who come from repressive Communist countries shouldn't be given rights as other Americans because they should kowtow to us here and just be grateful.
Oh, based on this, I guess white Eastern European immigrants who come from repressive Communist countries shouldn't be given rights as other Americans because they should kowtow to us here and just be grateful.
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Oh, based on this, I guess white Eastern European immigrants who come from repressive Communist countries shouldn't be given rights as other Americans because they should kowtow to us here and just be grateful.
Nice logic of yours, huh?
You're absolutely unhinged. Nobody is saying that people don't deserve "equal rights." I'm pointing out the obvious that those who scream the most about "white people" having to "learn lessons" (such as yourself) about racism are usually those whose own people have yet to create anything approximating the free and tolerant societies of the west. So you continue to focus on "whiteness" and "white supremacy" as a problem in the world... when obviously, it's not "whiteness" that creates minority disadvantage.
Let's remember that YOU were the one who declared that "white people have to walk in minorities' shoes." And again: No, they really don't. Empathy towards minorities is something "white people" do better than most. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Especially glass houses you were invited into. You want to point out that you are disadvantaged as a minority in the US? Figure out a different angle than, "White people bad," because that's a game you WILL lose. Your lot is overplaying that hand to predictable consequences.
And understand this: white Europeans who come from Communist Countries to the United States because Communism screwed up their home countries SHOULD be grateful to the United States for taking them in. Absolutely, 100%. Why is that even controversial? The US owes NOTHING to ANYONE. All of us here should be GRATEFUL for the opportunity to be here. That should be the starting point for any debate on this issue.
More importantly, Eastern Europeans who fled to the US because Communism screwed up their home countries should absolutely be criticized and ridiculed if they THEN try to import that failed ideology into the United States or suggest we have to give deference to the very ideas that caused them to move someone more free in the first place. I'd ban them wholesale. How dare they attempt to change the place that gave them shelter to make it resemble and feel like that which they fled! In fact, the US routinely used to ban white Europeans with dangerous ideologies.
You're absolutely unhinged. Nobody is saying that people don't deserve "equal rights." I'm pointing out the obvious that those who scream the most about "white people" having to "learn lessons" (such as yourself) about racism are usually those whose own people have yet to create anything approximating the free and tolerant societies of the west. So you continue to focus on "whiteness" and "white supremacy" as a problem in the world... when obviously, it's not "whiteness" that creates minority disadvantage.
Let's remember that YOU were the one who declared that "white people have to walk in minorities' shoes." And again: No, they really don't. Empathy towards minorities is something "white people" do better than most. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Especially glass houses you were invited into. You want to point out that you are disadvantaged as a minority in the US? Figure out a different angle than, "White people bad," because that's a game you WILL lose. Your lot is overplaying that hand to predictable consequences.
And understand this: white Europeans who come from Communist Countries to the United States because Communism screwed up their home countries SHOULD be grateful to the United States for taking them in. Absolutely, 100%. Why is that even controversial? The US owes NOTHING to ANYONE. All of us here should be GRATEFUL for the opportunity to be here. That should be the starting point for any debate on this issue.
More importantly, Eastern Europeans who fled to the US because Communism screwed up their home countries should absolutely be criticized and ridiculed if they THEN try to import that failed ideology into the United States or suggest we have to give deference to the very ideas that caused them to move someone more free in the first place. I'd ban them wholesale. How dare they attempt to change the place that gave them shelter to make it resemble and feel like that which they fled! In fact, the US routinely used to ban white Europeans with dangerous ideologies.
Exactly, Americans especially white don't owe anyone entrance into this country or anything else. People wanting to enter or people wanting others to enter have to convince us they should be allowed. They've, including that poster who engages in constant ad hominins and attacking strawman, failed over and over again dismally at that and have nothing to offer in net that I want.
Ethnic relates to common national or cultural tradition. That has nothing to do with eye color. Are Caucasians making a complete mess of this discussion by throwing around their skin color to take everyone's attention off the fact that ethic diversity in a small country is not a good thing?
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