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I have no idea what anti-vaxers do but I suspect they are aware of the risks of not vaccinating and make their own choice. I am not against vaccinations but I believe people have the right to make a choice about their own bodies, a principle embodied in Roe v. Wade. And I don't really subscribe to the idea that we are a herd and must be managed like a herd and build up herd immunity. We are after all individuals, each with the right of self determination. If we don't have the right for self determination and will let society force medical treatments on us for the good of society, let's start with forcing birth control on people who are wholly unqualified to be having babies, like drug addicts.
Actually, many anti-vaxers have no idea how bad these diseases can be. My generation (older Boomer) is about the last to have had many of the diseases, and even we didn't have diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus or smallpox. Some of us didn't avoid polio (not referring to myself). All of us born before 1957 and a goodly number born after that but before the vaccine came out in 1963 had measles; mumps vaccine came out in 1967, ditto; and rubella became available in 1969.
30% of people who get measles have at least one complication, which when everyone got it was 30% of everyone. Some were fairly minor, like diarrhea although it can cause dehydration; some were major like vision, hearing and/or intellectual capacity loss; pneumonia, encephalitis. I have two friends whose kids had hib meningitis just before the vaccine came out. The only risk factor either child had was being male. They were oldest and at the time only children, did not live in crowded living facilities, didn't attend day care, were breast fed, are not Alaskan Natives. One has permanent disabilities, the other is fine but endured a couple weeks in the hospital and years of follow up.
Herd immunity is also called "community immunity".
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Originally Posted by Jo48
There were very few vaccines when I was born in the 1940's. We got sick, did not die, and grew up to have children, and grandchildren.
Survivor bias. In the 1950s, 400-500 kids per year (at least, these are just the reported deaths) died from measles; about 100 people died annually from chickenpox. The rubella epidemic of 1964-65 caused 11,000 fetal deaths, 2100 newborn deaths and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/about/in-the-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/pregnancy.html
Actually, many anti-vaxers have no idea how bad these diseases can be. My generation (older Boomer) is about the last to have had many of the diseases, and even we didn't have diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus or smallpox. Some of us didn't avoid polio (not referring to myself). All of us born before 1957 and a goodly number born after that but before the vaccine came out in 1963 had measles; mumps vaccine came out in 1967, ditto; and rubella became available in 1969.
30% of people who get measles have at least one complication, which when everyone got it was 30% of everyone. Some were fairly minor, like diarrhea although it can cause dehydration; some were major like vision, hearing and/or intellectual capacity loss; pneumonia, encephalitis. I have two friends whose kids had hib meningitis just before the vaccine came out. The only risk factor either child had was being male. They were oldest and at the time only children, did not live in crowded living facilities, didn't attend day care, were breast fed, are not Alaskan Natives. One has permanent disabilities, the other is fine but endured a couple weeks in the hospital and years of follow up.
Herd immunity is also called "community immunity".
Survivor bias. In the 1950s, 400-500 kids per year (at least, these are just the reported deaths) died from measles; about 100 people died annually from chickenpox. The rubella epidemic of 1964-65 caused 11,000 fetal deaths, 2100 newborn deaths and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/about/in-the-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/pregnancy.html
If you had mumps and chicken pox, you are part of the herd that protects vulnerable individuals that cannot be or have not yet been vaccinated. If you’re immune, you’re part of the herd!
If you had mumps and chicken pox, you are part of the herd that protects vulnerable individuals that cannot be or have not yet been vaccinated. If you’re immune, you’re part of the herd!
I had mumps and chicken pox and 3 day measles and I'm still not part of your herd.
I had mumps and chicken pox and 3 day measles and I'm still not part of your herd.
If you’re referring to the herd who believes kids should be vaccinated, maybe not. If you’re referring to the herd of people with immunity to those diseases then you are. Your immunity protects others whether or not you consider yourself part of the herd.
Scientific Fact > Personal Opinion. Every. Single. Time.
Actually, many anti-vaxers have no idea how bad these diseases can be. My generation (older Boomer) is about the last to have had many of the diseases, and even we didn't have diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus or smallpox. Some of us didn't avoid polio (not referring to myself). All of us born before 1957 and a goodly number born after that but before the vaccine came out in 1963 had measles; mumps vaccine came out in 1967, ditto; and rubella became available in 1969.
30% of people who get measles have at least one complication, which when everyone got it was 30% of everyone. Some were fairly minor, like diarrhea although it can cause dehydration; some were major like vision, hearing and/or intellectual capacity loss; pneumonia, encephalitis. I have two friends whose kids had hib meningitis just before the vaccine came out. The only risk factor either child had was being male. They were oldest and at the time only children, did not live in crowded living facilities, didn't attend day care, were breast fed, are not Alaskan Natives. One has permanent disabilities, the other is fine but endured a couple weeks in the hospital and years of follow up.
Herd immunity is also called "community immunity".
Survivor bias. In the 1950s, 400-500 kids per year (at least, these are just the reported deaths) died from measles; about 100 people died annually from chickenpox. The rubella epidemic of 1964-65 caused 11,000 fetal deaths, 2100 newborn deaths and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/about/in-the-us.html https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/pregnancy.html
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