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Amnesty for millions of illegals was not acceptable in any way shape or form by the Republicans and rightly so! There is nothing worth that! So no, there wasn't any blunder
Who said anything about millions? Senate passed the bill with bi-partisan votes.
Huh? My grandparents escaped extreme poverty and dangerous conditions too - but they did it legally. If you liberals want to rewrite the law, run for Congress.
The standards for immigration have changed drastically over generations. For more than a century after the country's inception, for example, the US had no real immigration requirements at all- essentially open borders. The standards for entrance were then fairly light through the first half of the 20th Century. It was much easier to enter the US in the past than now. Today, the system is complex, difficult, takes many years and standards are not universal depending on nation of origin, educational status, economic status, skillset, existing US connections, etc. So your grandparent anecdote is pretty worthless, to be honest.
Ah, Trump-facts No, not since 2014. They have doubled since Trump took office. Your hero admits the situation under him is WORSE THAN EVER. In the 1980s we had with 1.6 MILLION, and Trump is quickly headed back toward those numbers.
Obama reduced it to a trickle, and Trump managed to get you to believe it was a huge problem, and it got much worse as soon as he started running things.
Are you really this out of touch?
It has long since been debunked that Obama deported illegals and reduced the number of those trying to sneak in the country. Yet you still keep posting falsehoods about it. Here's a link. Once you've read it, stop making false claims:
Besides, even if those deportation figures were legit (which, obviously, they were not), Obama went and undid it all by dictating DACA. Next he tried to dictate DAPA but the Fifth Circuit Court issued an injunction against DAPA. Obama then thumbed his nose at the injunction and later it was discovered that after the injunction, he issued 100,000 DAPA permits. Only when he was caught, did he finally stop.
No, it doubled since 2014. You couldn't comprehend the chart?
Yes, I comprehend it just fine.
550K in end of 2016 when Trump took office.
1+ million today
You do the math.
No clue why you'd pick some other year from the past. Might as well pick one from the 1980s when we had even more than now that Trump is importing them.
It has long since been debunked that Obama deported illegals and reduced the number of those trying to sneak in the country. Yet you still keep lying about it. Here's a link. Once you've read it, stop lying
Calling people liars is an infractable offense.
We are not even talking about deportations, so maybe you should find out what people are talking about before barging in with baseless accusations.
The standards for immigration have changed drastically over generations. For more than a century after the country's inception, for example, the US had no real immigration requirements at all- essentially open borders. The standards for entrance were then fairly light through the first half of the 20th Century. It was much easier to enter the US in the past than now. Today, the system is complex, difficult, takes many years and standards are not universal depending on nation of origin, educational status, economic status, skillset, existing US connections, etc. So your grandparent anecdote is pretty worthless, to be honest.
The difference is that when my grandparents came in, there wasn't free Medicaid, food stamps, free breakfasts, free lunches, reduced utility bills, free subway tokens, etc., etc. You came here, and if you could fend for yourself, great. But now with the abundance of free this! free that!, it is just not sustainable to have "open borders" - which is essentially what liberals are advocating (even though they claim they aren't).
That "minor violation" comes hand in hand with a whole bunch of other violations - working illegally or under the table, using false or stolen identities, involving minors in their violations, etc. Quit the strawman. I know it makes you feel better to accuse those who disagree with you of hating and resenting them but it's a matter of law and justice. It's easy for some like you to look into their eyes and want to make an exception since no one raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood. Last year we had almost a million "migrants" march here and sneak across, faking a claim of asylum if caught. And then there's the unknown potential. If someone snuck around airport security and boarded a plane would you call that a "minor" violation and label them an "uninspected passenger"? Maybe they just don't want to be searched or hassled over nail clippers but the potential for much more sinister reasons is there. Same with illegal entrants. Those criminal gang members that you say they are escaping are often coming with them. Immigrant groups estimate up to 80% of them are assaulted along the way. Who exactly is doing the assaulting?
I have no problem with consequences for crimes, up to and including deportation. Felony crimes should be prosecuted and ultimately lead to deportation, specifically for people who are not already naturalized citizens. So basically anyone within the legal process or who are undocumented. Absolutely no problem with that. Once naturalized, they are subject to full due process of the Constitution. For non-violent crimes, any consequences should fit the severity. With most non-violent, I tend to think fines/restitution, community service and other types of punishment would be adequate along with other potential requirements. Crossing the border is non-violent, and would fall into the latter. Whatever actions occur after would certainly determine the ultimate decision on their ability to become naturalized citizens.
Unlike you, though, I don't automatically impugn the character of all immigrants, but especially undocumented immigrants, without knowing the facts. A lot of people in this world have to make far more difficult decisions than most Americans will ever be in a position to have to make, and I tend to think that should be a factor of consideration. But mostly I just want the current immigration system to be updated to fit existing realities.
You said that Obama reduced the flow to "a trickle" when clearly that was a blatant falsehood.
Stop trying to deflect.
ETA: Since you were upset at the way things were worded, I fixed it.
Going from over 1 million during "W" years to 300K, is significant (although the improvement started when "W" was still in office), as is the fact that we are back over a million with Trump, although his #1 promise was to stop it.
The difference is that when my grandparents came in, there wasn't free Medicaid, food stamps, free breakfasts, free lunches, reduced utility bills, free subway tokens, etc., etc. You came here, and if you could fend for yourself, great. But now with the abundance of free this! free that!, it is just not sustainable to have "open borders" - which is essentially what liberals are advocating (even though they claim they aren't).
Federal assistance is not available to undocumented, and even with people like refugees going through the legal process, such assistance is typically banned for several years.
As for state-level assistance, I guess don't live in one of those states if you don't like it? People are also free to organize efforts to vote out any public officials that support anything like that.
But what does any of this have to do with the immigration standards? The US or its states changing things so that immigrants have more access to certain assistance programs has literally nothing to do with the ability of potential immigrants to come to the US under the current system.
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