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Old 11-18-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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So...the guns made these individuals do it ? Sorry, we have a violence problem in this country. If one could snap their fingers and in an instant every firearm and knowledge of them would disappear, we would still have people killing one another. Albeit , less efficiently but violence won't go away.
No, the guns did not make anyone do anything. A gun is a very efficient tool at killing. The problem is that access to this tool is too easy in the US. Other developed countries do not have this problem. Are Americans simply more violent people? Is that your argument? With this gene for violence that is unique to Americans and an easy supply of tools manufactured to kill (when you pull the trigger a bunch of flowers don't come out--yes) then we have the situation we have and there is nothing to be done. Yes?
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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At 6 pm last night, four people were killed and six more wounded when "unknown suspects" sneaked into a backyard filled with people at a party in Fresno (central California) and fired into the crowd.

4 dead, 6 wounded in Fresno, California, football watch party shooting:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/4-de...-shooting.html
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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I blame the school system. Too many teachers don't teach kids to think.
By the time kids enter school, they're pretty much formed by their environment (families).
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Old 11-18-2019, 11:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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No, the guns did not make anyone do anything. A gun is a very efficient tool at killing. The problem is that access to this tool is too easy in the US. Other developed countries do not have this problem. Are Americans simply more violent people? Is that your argument? With this gene for violence that is unique to Americans and an easy supply of tools manufactured to kill (when you pull the trigger a bunch of flowers don't come out--yes) then we have the situation we have and there is nothing to be done. Yes?
Try buying one and then see the hoops you have to jump through. It's not easy or cheap.
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Old 11-18-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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Trevor Noah on the Daily Show addresses potential causes. I agree with how he framed his final comment.
Now post the video where Trevor Noah discusses the farm murders happening in the land of his birth.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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In your mind maybe but not the medical community. Again, the problem is the easy availability of guns in the US. No other developed country has this problem. Are American just more mentally deficient than other countries or is it a plethora of guns. In Japan, people play more video games but there are usually less than 10 murders a year in that country with a population of ~127 million. Guess what Japan doesn't have--a massive, easy to purchase supply of guns.
Incorrect, many of the shooters have history of treatment for and/or symptoms of mental issues often since childhood.

America is an individualist culture, Japan is a conformity culture.

Both cultures are degenerate right now and having their own issues. Japan may not have the violence we do but it is in trouble.

If you take guns from Americans the ones who are determined will use alternative, and innovative methods to kill masses of people. You aren't going to magically turn Americans into obedient Japanese or naïve Europeans by disarming them, that will take some more time and work. Don't worry, soon enough we will all lock ourselves inside almost 24/7 so no chance to be mass shot, or to meet people, or do much of anything but stare at screens and buy gadgets from Amazon.
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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No, the guns did not make anyone do anything. A gun is a very efficient tool at killing. The problem is that access to this tool is too easy in the US. Other developed countries do not have this problem. Are Americans simply more violent people? Is that your argument? With this gene for violence that is unique to Americans and an easy supply of tools manufactured to kill (when you pull the trigger a bunch of flowers don't come out--yes) then we have the situation we have and there is nothing to be done. Yes?
Yes, there are certain areas across the country that propagate more violence than others. As far as mass shootings and school shootings, that is a different topic.

I'd by into your logic, except access to firearms has been pretty much the same, and in some cases much easier (mail order from the Sears catalog) the last 50 plus years. Now they've become an issue ? Sorry, that doesn't work.

Look at the UK for instance. Their violence levels are on the rise, so they the same rhetoric going on over there... except with knives.
Surrender your knife | Save a life

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...der-your-knife

https://mymodernmet.com/knife-angel-...nce-sculpture/

What is the common denominator ? A person willing to kill or injure another.

That is the issue. Why is someone willing to kill another over a bag of potato chips ? Why is someone to kill another for the fun of it or because of a "beef" ?
https://www.postandcourier.com/news/...6db674807.html

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ve/2555448001/

Why are kids in school feeling the need to kill their peers in school ? Same for those that go on mass shooting sprees.

Yes, firearms are the current tool for these people but the bigger issue is why do they want to kill in the first place ?

Take a look at the state of Maine. They have some of the most lax firearms laws in the country.. yet how much violence do they have ? Now look at CA, they have some of the most restrictive laws in the country... and how many mass shootings have we seen there ?
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Old 11-18-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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Try buying one and then see the hoops you have to jump through. It's not easy or cheap.
Well the media says it's easy. Also, you should have stated, "try buying one legally" ...
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Old 11-18-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Yes, firearms are the current tool for these people but the bigger issue is why do they want to kill in the first place ?

Take a look at the state of Maine. They have some of the most lax firearms laws in the country.. yet how much violence do they have ? Now look at CA, they have some of the most restrictive laws in the country... and how many mass shootings have we seen there ?
Can you really compare Maine, with a population of 1.3 million, to California, with nearly 40 million people?

Number of mass shootings in California: rare but increasingly deadly:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/ar...t-14268411.php
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Old 11-18-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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Can you really compare Maine, with a population of 1.3 million, to California, with nearly 40 million people?

Number of mass shootings in California: rare but increasingly deadly:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/ar...t-14268411.php
Wait, if it was firearms and the easy access to them that is the issue, what difference would it make the size of the population ? There would still be violence right ? It's the guns, right ?
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