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Old 12-03-2019, 08:16 PM
 
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nobody is reading 300 pages of lies and deceit. It's the holiday season, Christmas with Nadler and Schiff?

lmao Nobody wants to watch that clown show...People have lost what little interest that had. Once again Dems crash and burn.
300 pages of lies & deceit by trump

 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:17 PM
 
Location: New York
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The 300-page report from Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee makes the case that Trump misused the power of his office and, in the course of their investigation, obstructed Congress by stonewalling the proceedings. Based on two months of investigation, the report contains evidence and testimony from current and former U.S. officials.

“The impeachment inquiry has found that President Trump, personally and acting through agents within and outside of the U.S. government, solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, to benefit his reelection," said Chairman Adam Schiff in the report's preface.

In doing so, "the President placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States, sought to undermine the integrity of the U.S. presidential election process, and endangered U.S. national security,” the report said.
https://news.yahoo.com/house-report-...100255628.html
Impeach him!

Stop talking, stop wanking around, just do it!

Guess what?
The last thing Pelosi will do is formally impeach.
It will open up the Pub led Senate to call everyone they want to testify under oath!!!

She will not let that happen!
We know it, you know it, EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!!






With that said, what is your point? Is it okay for shifty to screw the country while you rail against McConnell and Thune to give the same in return?


You know as well as I that they would lay waste to Shifty and Nadler in a heartbeat!!!
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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No, no one is even attempting to claim that the delay of aid was in itself an impeachable act, they are talking about unproven nonsense like "bribery"
It was illegal to withhold the aid.

It is bribery to extort a President of foreign nation by making the release of that badly needed security aid contingent on his making an announcement smearing Trump's political opponent.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Once again, BobbytheMagnificent, Trump was clear that he wanted a favor, it's in the memo of the call, and Mulvaney admitted publicly that politics were involved in withholding the aid.

Mulvaney encouraged people to get over it.

You've got a weak argument here. As for better material.
Yes, he wanted a favor for the best interest of the US as part of his job, unless you can prove otherwise....and note I said PROVE, not merely make allegations, then you've got nothing. Opinion by 3rd parties is not proof.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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No, no one is even attempting to claim that the delay of aid was in itself an impeachable act, they are talking about unproven nonsense like "bribery"
Whether they call it "bribery" or "quid pro quo" or "my aunt Nancy's pantyhose" makes not an iota of a difference. Using the office of the President to leverage strategic aid and diplomatic favors for personal gain is impeachable.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Again the propriety of Trump leveraging strategic aid to force a foreign country to investigate Trump's political rival does not hinge on whether the foreign country ultimately reports back to Trump that they did or did not find anything.

Moreover, the fact that Trump only wanted an announcement of an investigation and didn't care about an investigation itself (as Sondland testified) destroys any plausible claim that Trump wanted to know if Biden had done anything wrong or, frankly, that he wanted anything other than dirt with which he could smear Biden. That fact further undermines your argument that Biden's guilt/innocence is of any import.
Word Salad.

What you really mean is.... "I hate Trump. I've always hated Trump. My post history here demonstrates that I've supported every nonsensical thing said about Trump since 2015. I'm still mad as hell he won".

Right?


(Not one thing you have said in this topic is codified in any law or in the Constitution. It's nothing more than political opinion and we all know what that's worth.)
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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Whether they call it "bribery" or "quid pro quo" or "my aunt Nancy's pantyhose" makes not an iota of a difference. Using the office of the President to leverage strategic aid and diplomatic favors for personal gain is impeachable.
I agree that it doesn't matter what they call it, what matters is that it be PROVEN and not just alleged. You claim he did it for personal gain yet that hasn't been proven. If you can't prove it definitively, you've got nothing but a conspiracy theory for the DNC base to parrot.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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Yes, he wanted a favor for the best interest of the US as part of his job, unless you can prove otherwise....and note I said PROVE, not merely make allegations, then you've got nothing. Opinion by 3rd parties is not proof.
The complete and total absence of any formal or informal US policy whereby announcing an investigation into the Bidens was sought or desired, coupled with the fact that it is beyond implausible that the American public interest would somehow benefit from Zelensky announcing an investigation into the Bidens, is pretty damning proof that he was doing it to benefit himself and not the American people.

Or, as one Republican Senator put it, "[w]hen the only American citizen President Trump singles out for [an] investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated."
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:20 PM
 
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Impeach him!


Stop talking, stop wanking around, just do it!










Guess what?
The last thing Pelosi will do is formally impeach.
It will open up the Pub led Senate to call everyone they want to testify under oath!!!




She will not let that happen!
We know it, you know it, EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!!
Do you even understand how this process works?

The Senate is the jury. They don't call anyone to testify.

The prosecutors laying out the charges call witnesses to testify.

The attorneys defending Trump call witnesses to defend his innocence.
 
Old 12-03-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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Do you even understand how this process works?

The Senate is the jury. They don't call anyone to testify.

The prosecutors laying out the charges call witnesses to testify.

The attorneys defending Trump call witnesses to defend his innocence.
You absolutely did not disprove anything that party you are responding to, said.



The majority of the US Senate is free to run the Senate trial ANY WAY they like. And if you disagree then show us in the US Constitution where it says they can't.
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