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Old 12-06-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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The evidence is a sequence of events when brought together are criminal. The "perfect" phone call when combined with the other events was far less than perfect.

Nope. But I take note that you are operating under guilty first. So obviously not unbiased.



And just today, it comes out that Schiff had the wrong phone number for Guiliani.

 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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Yes, you would think Trump would want witnesses who would clear him and relate exactly what truly happened. But he doesn't want them to testify. Odd.

Trump has said for them to testify in the Senate trial. What part of that did you miss?
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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If your main source of news is Fox, then you will never get the facts, only biased and leading questions.
if your main reaction to someone not agreeing with you is to assume they get their news from those you hate, then you will never understand those you disagree with.


my main source was the hearings. my interpretation was informed by places like C-D and news outlets as varied as possible... from very liberal views to very conservative ones. unlike a lot of the people i don't agree with, I trust no news of any shade.
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:09 PM
 
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The evidence is a sequence of events when brought together are criminal. The "perfect" phone call when combined with the other events was far less than perfect.
Since Bolton, Mulvaney, and others lawyered up rather than testify, I offer you this as the reason for insufficient evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK9OgXRDXxs
There was no evidence. Only 1 person had any first hand knowledge and that first hand knowledge led to "I want nothing"


how utterly sad that you thought you heard evidence. Under no rule in this country did the democrats put forward "evidence". Furthermore, the entire case was made from the democrat side. Republicans provided NO witness. i feel for ya,....
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I really do think sane Republicans would be more likely to support impeachment after Trump's re-election and after RBG is replaced. First and foremost, this is about ending abortion and rolling back marriage equality. Those issues are more important right now than anything else.
True and Trump agreed with them on their other issues, such as repealing Johnson Amendment and opposing bathroom rights for transsexuals before surgery.
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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since he was talking about in Nov 2016, I dunno if this is worthy of your admiration or not.
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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While I mostly agree with you, part of me thinks that Trump's coming was foretold. I see some very scary similarities to what is predicted in the Bible. What leads me to believe this more than anything is the blind, obsessive devotion of his followers, and their inability to see the truth about their leader. It is almost cultlike.
I think one big reason why Trump supporters love him so dearly is because he isn't afraid to call people names, especially including calling some members of his own party, "human scum". Right Trump lovers?
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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I really do think sane Republicans would be more likely to support impeachment after Trump's re-election and after RBG is replaced. First and foremost, this is about ending abortion and rolling back marriage equality. Those issues are more important right now than anything else.
I think it’s more about stopping the love affair with illegal aliens, preventing the massive giveaway programs proposed by the Democratic socialists, and keeping the middle class from being socked with more taxes.
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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From the OP, we don't even know which side they support, just that they are asking for a "fair trial".
If you support or don't support impeachment, you should want a fair trial. I will rep the OP for the request, assuming I am allowed.

Partisanship happens on both sides. Certainly, the Dems are driven by the fact that we believe this POTUS is unethical and bad for our country. So it is valid to say we come at him with a negative bias, but just because we don't like him, his policy or our perception of his ethics, DOES NOT mean he is not guilty (or innocent) of all those things. Hence the need for a FAIR trail.

Here's the part I don't get:
R's defend him at all costs. D's go after him at all costs. I got it.
But no matter if you like him or not. No matter if you think he was "Quid Pro Quo" (I do), the FACT is that he withheld approved funding for a country that needs the defense. In doing so, he exposed their vulnerabilities, he enhanced Russian power over a helpless ally, and ultimately he weakened US security in the process. So, let's assume for a minute that you think he didn't INTENTIONALLY QPQ. He still, by way of circumnavigating US policy, and then lying about it, weakened the US position. That much is black and white here, and it's a pattern that he repeated over and over again.

So, whether via impeachment, or 25th, is there not a case this POTUS is incompetent, if not flat-out criminal? Does the fact that he repeatedly (for whatever reason) compromises the security of our country not justify the need to get him out of office, if for no other reason than to maintain our national security?

I guess it is rhetorical, because we've already seen the answers of all. Those who support him disagree, and those who don't support him want him out. That much is partisan, I get it.

But for the life of me, I don't understand why his supporters are not AT LEAST demanding that he learn from his biggest blunders, why they don't hold him accountable (even if not via removal), so that he doesn't keep making the same mistakes.

How do you justify that he circumnavigated PUBLISHED policy by withholding the funds, which resulted in:
1. the weakening of an ally (Ukraine)
2. the strengthening of a foe (Russia)
3. The degredation of US Security.

At least, don't you want him to stop doing that?
Excellent post.
 
Old 12-06-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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So did any thinking Republicans post?
not only some thinking Republicans, but independents and Dems did too.
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