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One thing I've noticed is this. With one exception, most of the individuals getting upset over Pinterest and The Knot disallowing wedding photos from plantations are White. I'm not seeing many Blacks upset by this at all.
Looking at wedding photos, you can see plenty of black folks doing marriages and jumping brooms on plantation wedding photos. Why the outrage now?
Like how Jim Crow was supported by a small, but vocal white population in the South. Social Justice in its modern and progressive Anglo Ffrm which as swept through Canada, UK, NZ, Australia and the United States. Mainly a small but vocal illiberal whites are only angered about such history, and are deemed to iconoclast or erase such imagery of the past. It is true that you don't see much blacks upset about this, unless if its from the contingent of black activist and black academics which are also small, but very vocal.
in 2050. Whites will still make up the majority, with Hispanics only being 25% of the population, and blacks still remaining at 12 or 13 Percent. And I say this as someone that is a person of color. Asian population supposed to rise to 14 percent. Native Americans will remain at 1 percent or below. My big concern of the browning of America is that he black and native population are either stagnate or declining while the Asian and Hispanic numbers grow, especially since both groups did not face historical, foundational and legacy racism. What are you going to do to address this Indentured Servant?
I really don't care. Probably be dead and gone by then. I am looking to Africa in the near term. I am more of a Pan African and I don't just look at the US in terms of a black future.
If the people who own the house today are the descendants of slaves.....it does not matter. Its a reversal of fortune. I doubt that any white person who owns a plantation in the US, today, are descendants of whites enslaved in the US and whose ancestors worked on a plantation.
So if the Ellison family still owned the Ellison plantation and profited off it you'd be fine with the direct descendants of slave owners continuing to profit off a plantation because they are black which represents to you a reversal of fortune whereas if a white hill billy sharecropper hypothetically managed to own it and make a profit off it that would not be. Doesn't make sense, but okay.
Progressives ALLOW themselves to be offended by everything and must get some kind of euphoria from banning things and CONTROLLING others. It needs to STOP. They are huge control freaks.
Or maybe people like me really are "offended" because of what it represents. Being a Black man, I will tell you what represents to me. I think about my ancestors who were forced to pick cotton,sugar cane,etc on those plantations. I think about how my ancestors who were enslaved. I think about how I would have been a slaved. I don't see anything good. It's certainly a culture I want nothing to do with. I decide what offends me and I'm likely offended for a reason. And yes, I'm one of those persons who would love to see monuments that honor Confederate soldiers taken down and gone from public places. I have a disdain for all things Confederate and I refuse to apologize for it.
Boone Hall and other former plantations that have been restored or preserved and are open to the public already are museums. Duh.
Boone Hall in particular is, as they've restored and preserved much more of the slavery aspects than other plantations which have white washed that less appealing aspect away. The slave quarters still exist, can still be toured, and there are permanent exhibits depicting it. It's not all garden tours and big house. The big house actually has nothing to do with that period. It was built much later by what some might call the carpetbaggers.
Here's a little blurb about the owner family & slave family at Middleton Plantation that come together to swap stories, history and develop real relationships.
The descendants of slaves and slave owners have been finding friendship, reconciliation, and wisdom by meeting with each other for weekend-long reunions at the South Carolina plantation where they share a painful past.
Every five years, the ancestors of slaves who toiled away at the Middleton Place plantation in Charleston, South Carolina gather together with the relatives of the plantation’s slave-owning family for a two-day stay.
The lords of the lash are not only absolute masters of the blacks, but they are also the oracle and arbiters of non-slaveholding whites, whose freedom is merely nominal, and whose unparalleled illiteracy and degradation is purposely and fiendishly perpetuated.
Hinton Helper, The Impending Crisis of the South (1857)
While the Southern abolitionist Hinton Helper abhorred the cruel institution of slavery, he was also appalled by the condition of poor whites in the South of the 1850s who he saw as suffering a “second degree of slavery” under the dominance of the slaveholding ruling class. Wealthy slaveholders brutally enforced the enslavement of blacks while repressing and degrading poor whites who they saw as disaffected pariahs that could upend the rigid hierarchy of the rich white slave-owning class.
I have always been puzzled at how today it is the descendants of poor southern whites who are the defenders of statues and images from a time in history where their ancestors were looked upon as "disaffected pariahs"
The lords of the lash are not only absolute masters of the blacks, but they are also the oracle and arbiters of non-slaveholding whites, whose freedom is merely nominal, and whose unparalleled illiteracy and degradation is purposely and fiendishly perpetuated.
Hinton Helper, The Impending Crisis of the South (1857)
While the Southern abolitionist Hinton Helper abhorred the cruel institution of slavery, he was also appalled by the condition of poor whites in the South of the 1850s who he saw as suffering a “second degree of slavery” under the dominance of the slaveholding ruling class. Wealthy slaveholders brutally enforced the enslavement of blacks while repressing and degrading poor whites who they saw as disaffected pariahs that could upend the rigid hierarchy of the rich white slave-owning class.
I have always been puzzled at how today it is the descendants of poor southern whites who are the defenders of statues and images from a time in history where their ancestors were looked upon as "disaffected pariahs"
As calipoppy mentioned in this thread, the majority of slave holders were not rich plantation aristocracy. There were various classes in the antebellum south, it wasn't just a rich aristocracy and poor whites
Or maybe people like me really are "offended" because of what it represents. Being a Black man, I will tell you what represents to me. I think about my ancestors who were forced to pick cotton,sugar cane,etc on those plantations. I think about how my ancestors who were enslaved. I think about how I would have been a slaved. I don't see anything good. It's certainly a culture I want nothing to do with. I decide what offends me and I'm likely offended for a reason. And yes, I'm one of those persons who would love to see monuments that honor Confederate soldiers taken down and gone from public places. I have a disdain for all things Confederate and I refuse to apologize for it.
I certainly do not blame you even the teeniest bit for feeling as you do and having that opinion, and if I were Black, I would undoubtedly feel the same way you do! However, I wonder how you and other descendants of slaves feel about historical non-residential buildings that used slave labor in their construction.
Would you like to see the White House torn down? Or the U.S. Capitol building?
Although, as I said, I can certainly sympathize with Blacks, I am not in favor of tearing down any historical buildings. If every building that used slave labor before and/or after its construction was torn down, I don't think many large buildings built in the South before 1860 would be left standing.
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