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Old 01-10-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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GAWD. Look at who you linked. They are all parroting each other. If anything else, this tells me the truth is really somewhere else.
Boeing does not deny these statements and called them unfortunate. Are you so sold on the "fake news" narrative that you can't see truth?
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Old 01-10-2020, 01:45 PM
 
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The truth is known by most who are close to Boeing.

It was an engineering company run by engineers. After the purchase of MD and in modern times it because a company of "whoever we can get cheap" run by bean counters for the benefit of stockholders.

Do you also discount the statements from major customers of Boeing that the Dreamliners coming out of the SC plant are "unacceptable"?

These are Boeings own surveys - as well as statements from Aviation Industry insiders and professionals. This is the SC paper:
https://www.postandcourier.com/busin...afccd055e.html

"KLM noted several issues, including a loose seat, missing or wrongly installed cotter pins, nuts not fully tightened, an unsecured fuel line clamp and several unspecified missing parts.

“Who looks at quality in this facility,” KLM asked, adding the airline “is worried for the next deliveries.”

Former Boeing Manager won't get on one..."built in SC".....
https://bigthink.com/politics-curren...-safety-issues

"John Barnett worked as a quality manager at Boeing for three decades, but recently left the company due, in part, to his concerns over issues in the production of the 787 Dreamliner."

"Barnett said he would "change flights before I would fly a 787. I've told my family — please don't fly a 787."

""They started pressuring us to not document defects," said Barnett, "to work outside the procedures, to allow defective material to be installed without being corrected. They started bypassing procedures and not maintaining configurement control of airplanes, not maintaining control of non-conforming parts — they just wanted to get the planes pushed out the door and make the cash register ring."

It's hard to imagine that a Human Being would instruct others to not document defects on such a machine. But the evidence is not only witnessed by many, it's evident in the finished product.

If I get on a Dreamliner I'm going to make sure it's produced in Washington State.
Maybe forego the experience altogether and get on a better aircraft Boeing couldn't compete fairly against so resorted to the well known bully tactics that backfired on them bigly.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...st-bombardier/
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Old 01-10-2020, 01:45 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Boeing hasn't been the same since they merged with McD-D, just like McDonnell was never the same after merging with Douglas.

https://crankyflier.com/2019/07/18/i...ifferent-path/

It's a sad, downward trend for a great American company.

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Boeing...onnell-Douglas

"Anyway, looking back, this has to be considered one of the worst mergers of all time."
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Old 01-10-2020, 01:56 PM
 
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Seriously folks are curious about your sources for your information.

I would think you would be happy to share it given that you think all of their sources aren't reliable.

This isn't an attack - it's an honest to goodness request. I would be interested in knowing your sources
And you will notice... nary a peep from this poster when asked to disclose her "sources"
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:51 PM
 
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And you will notice... nary a peep from this poster when asked to disclose her "sources"
"Tass" made Waldo sign a non-disclosure agreement.
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Old 01-10-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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just as their stock was getting a boost after it turns out their plane in iraq was downed by a missile, rather than a malfunction.
This is a stellar example of why there needs to be a "corporate death penalty."

Let the company officers spend the rest of their lives on Devil's Island. Let shareholders and investors walk away empty-handed with no recourse or possibility of recovering their investments. Offer the company to employees to buy. If employees can't buy it, then put it on the market, and if there's no buyer in 180 days, send the employees to work at McDonald's and auction off the company's assets.

It's also a stellar example of a massive AI fail.

Pilots were trying to climb, but the AI-that-knows-all said the plane should be descending and since the pilots wouldn't take the corrective action the all-knowing-AI thought they pilots should take, it took over the controls and did it for them.

AI crashed two planes.
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Old 01-10-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I hope it's crony business model can weather the bad press.
I wonder if Nikki Haley has had some second thoughts .......
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Old 01-10-2020, 05:26 PM
 
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I wonder if Nikki Haley has had some second thoughts .......
No way. She has sold out to ALL the highest bidders. Since the Military Industrial Complex would never let Boeing fail, she will take the money...and also try to get more in politics also.

For some reason I don't see GOP'ers here asking about what her Aviation experience is...to sit on the Board of the most powerful Aviation company in history???

Oh, I see she joined her families clothing business! That would make me qualified as my family was in that biz also.

Oh, she was with a "Friends of the Boy Scouts" committee too. Perfect qualifications for a multi-billion dollar engineering company.

Well, the board at Boeing is very part-time. Her full time job involves brown nosing, so to speak.

The SC Boeing Facility is building defective planes...so there is that.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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I drive by the legendary hangars of Boeing going to work. These buildings are so large cars look like toys against them. It is so sad that such a great company has fallen into grave disrepute. The emails reveal a lack of locus of control with the loss of faith in the product. I'm really not sure if Boeing will recover. That would be such a tremendous loss for our nation.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:47 PM
 
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Wonder what kind of plane it was that crashed in Iran yesterday.
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