Boeing Internal Documents - 737 Max “Designed by Clowns” (Congress, Iraq, companies)

[uggabugga]

just as their stock was getting a boost after it turns out their plane in iraq was downed by a missile, rather than a malfunction.

“The most damaging messages included conversations among Boeing pilots and other employees about

software issues and other problems with flight simulators for the Max, a plane later involved in two accidents, in late 2018 and early 2019, that killed 346 people and threw the company into chaos,” the New York Times reports. “The employees appear to discuss instances in which the company concealed such problems from the [Federal Aviation Administration] during the regulator’s certification of the simulators, which were used in the development of the Max, as well as in training for pilots who had not previously flown a 737.”

How bad was the employee chatter? Here’s a sampling:

• “I still haven’t been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year,” one employee said in a message in 2018 in an apparent reference to prior dealings with the FAA.

• “Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn’t,” one employee said to a colleague before the first crash in 2018. “No,” the colleague said.

• “This airplane is designed by clowns, who are in turn supervised by monkeys,” an employee wrote in 2017.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-congress.html

[Frank DeForrest]

I hope it's crony business model can weather the bad press.

[BigDGeek]

Looks like the people who wrote those messages will probably be quietly fired.


Unfortunate, because Boeing used to be an engineering company; now it's all about slashing costs and maximizing shareholder value at the expense of passenger safety. It's pathetic. And of course, they're packing their ranks with incompetent H1Bs provided by HCL, one of the biggest abusers of the visa system. It was a recipe for disaster from the start, though I'm sure Boeing will learn nothing from this.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

Looks like the people who wrote those messages will probably be quietly fired.


Unfortunate, because Boeing used to be an engineering company; now it's all about slashing costs and maximizing shareholder value at the expense of passenger safety. It's pathetic. And of course, they're packing their ranks with incompetent H1Bs provided by HCL, one of the biggest abusers of the visa system. It was a recipe for disaster from the start, though I'm sure Boeing will learn nothing from this.

This happens in the automotive industry all the time, although the extent of it doesn't have the repercussions aero has. In aero people die, in automotive the result is just a ****ty product. Just have to love when engineering is in one country, design another, the tools are built in another, and assembly is in yet another one. Such a mess. At least the shareholders are happy. And remember , these companies aren't here to build the best plane , car, etc...they are here to make money for the shareholders.

We deserve whatever we get....

[WaldoKitty]

I wouldn't believe anything written by the Slate as the gospel as to what really happened.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by scarabchuck

This happens in the automotive industry all the time, although the extent of it doesn't have the repercussions aero has. In aero people die, in automotive the result is just a ****ty product. Just have to love when engineering is in one country, design another, the tools are built in another, and assembly is in yet another one. Such a mess. At least the shareholders are happy. And remember , these companies aren't here to build the best plane , car, etc...they are here to make money for the shareholders.

We deserve whatever we get....

I don't think people flying on Boeing airplanes deserve to die because shareholders want to make money. How do you figure that?


Now maybe if shareholders who demand profit above all else die in a plane crash involving a Boeing aircraft, maybe...yeah, I'd say they're getting what they asked for.


Me? I don't own Boeing stock.

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

I wouldn't believe anything written by the Slate as the gospel as to what really happened.

take your pick. there are plenty more.

[WaldoKitty]

Originally Posted by uggabugga

take your pick. there are plenty more.

GAWD. Look at who you linked. They are all parroting each other. If anything else, this tells me the truth is really somewhere else.

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

GAWD. Look at who you linked. They are all parroting each other. If anything else, this tells me the truth is really somewhere else.

of course they sound the same. they're all quoting the same statements.

you'd prefer they change the quotes?

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

GAWD. Look at who you linked. They are all parroting each other. If anything else, this tells me the truth is really somewhere else.

pretty much...one place reports some click bait....they all pick it up from that same one source...it's all about the click bait