Go on the record about impeachment removal from office (carry, support, voted)
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It's interesting that you view the impeachment process as "nonsense" and "nothing". Did you view it the same way when Clinton was impeached? Do you view our system of government as a whole in the same way?
If enough people discard the rule of law and decide that our Constitutional government is meaningless then we have much bigger problems than this impeachment squabble here in 2020. We may be reaching the point where we can no longer function as a representative democracy.
"Do you view our system of government as a whole in the same way?"
Our '"system" "REQUIRES BI-ARTISANSHIP". Even pelosi, shifff and nadler said so. We did NOT have it therefore the entire dog and pony show "hearings" and vote is just that.
You used a lot of words but don't offer much more than bald conclusions punctuated with a few comments maligning Democrats. Light on substance, heavy on hollow talking points.
Many posters on her have severe reading comprehension problems!
Of course he will not be removed, because the GOP controls the senate.
He has been formally impeached, and that will be a permanent stain on his presidency forever, as long as the United States still exists. That makes me happy.
"He has been formally impeached, and that will be a permanent stain on his presidency forever, as long as the United States still exists." and there will be an (*) at the end. That makes me happy
Our Republic is no longer strong and resilient enough to handle the removal of a President without an election. Even removing a president as crooked and dishonest as Trump would cause a serious constitutional crisis because Americans no longer care about the rule of law as much as they care about partisanship.
So removing Trump solely by Senatorial fiat isn’t possible nor is it desirable.
Trump stays...even if he commits a rape in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue. Literally.
Funny, you use, " Even removing a president as crooked and dishonest as Trump" and "Americans no longer care about the rule of law as much as they care about partisanship." together.
Thank you for describing yourself. You are so partisan, you ONLY see what the liberal media has told you.
I believe that Trumps actions were wrong but not enough for removal from office. For the health of the process and the country, I feel it should be the American people that ultimately decide upon yay or nay come November.
I think you are correct.
Me I still think the Senate can remove Trump from office.
The action's by Trump are against the law and in violation of his oath of office.
It was bipartisan. Very much so. The Republicans decided not to participate.
"The Republicans decided not to participate"
The dems decided to NOT LET the repubs "participate"!
It is tough to "participate" when you are DENIED being able to calling a SINGLE witness.
When you are NOT allowed to even KNOW who the non-whistleblower whistleblower is, much less be involved in interviewing him when you are locked out. etc., etc., etc.
This is the 3rd impeachment in our history. There were actually 4 sets of impeachment papers drawn up by the House, but Nixon resigned before his charges ever went onto the House floor.
None of the previous 2 impeachments were convicted by the Senate.
Andrew Johnson was spared conviction by one vote, and that Senator, a Republican like Johnson, lost his seat forever for that vote.
Clinton's impeachment never resulted in a Bill of Impeachment being voted on by the full House.
So his Senate conviction was never begun. The Senate simply halted the basic procedures with a vote on the floor, and that ended it all for good.
I doubt Trump will be convicted by members of his own party in an election year.
But each impeachment has been so different from the others, and there have been so few of them, that my belief is just that; there's nothing factual to support it.
While the trial puts Trump's presidency into great danger, the trial could also open up a path for a Republican Senator who wants to become President. The chaos that would follow in the Republican party after Trump was convicted could be the perfect time for a Senator to jump into the race and win it once the incumbent was gone.
So for me, the most honest answer to the OP's question is "I don't know." I don't know if Trump will be removed. I don't know if he won't be, either. History isn't helping form an answer, and the betting odds seem to be 50/50 to me.
"While the trial puts Trump's presidency into great danger", DISAGREE with that 100%.
It is tough to "participate" when you are DENIED being able to calling a SINGLE witness.
When you are NOT allowed to even KNOW who the non-whistleblower whistleblower is, much less be involved in interviewing him when you are locked out. etc., etc., etc.
Participation is a 2 way street!
Trump and the GOP called Morrison to support Trump, that did not work out well. He went to WH attorneys and asked them to hide the call.
The GOP also called a scholar and his only complaint was that the HOUSE moved to quick. Again process no defense of Trump.
Trump was given the chance to have Attorneys at the House hearing's. His team or Trump himself declined.
Apparently Trump thinks he knows who the whistle blower is. He has his surrogates tweeting out someone's name. He even did it himself and someone deleted it from his feed.
Participation was offered Trump chose not to accept.
That is a fair answer. My only issue with his impeachment was the goal from day one by the democrats was to impeach. They weaponized the process. How can they honestly say they were unbiased in their decision was part of a plan ? It really was a kangaroo court.
They took the vote then immateriality said the needed MORE witnesses. If they "need" them, why did they take the vote without their input?
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