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Hello? Joe admits to having that guy fired and withholding funds ...what are you smoking?
Hello. It was official US Foreign Policy position and was done for the benefit of the Nation. It was done completely out in the open with the knowledge and endorsement of Congress - including always-Trumper Ron Johnson. Why did the GOP not have an issue with this action when it happened? It certainly wasn't a secret.
It's the "why" not the "what" that has landed the current administration in hot water. You understand that, right?
Hello. It was official US Foreign Policy position and was done for the benefit of the Nation. It was done completely out in the open with the knowledge and endorsement of Congress - including always-Trumper Ron Johnson. Why did the GOP not have an issue with this action when it happened? It certainly wasn't a secret.
It's the "why" not the "what" that has landed the current administration in hot water. You understand that, right?
Are we talking about Obama's foreign policy and Congressional endorsement that Biden took upon himself to overrule the aid? Biden's admission to quid quo pro was after the fact and Obama's corrupt administration in 2018.Hard to build a case when the facts are hidden from view till a big mouth like Joe spills the beans there chief.
Are we talking about Obama's foreign policy and Congressional endorsement that Biden took upon himself to overrule the aid? Biden's admission to quid quo pro was after the fact and Obama's corrupt administration in 2018.Hard to build a case when the facts are hidden from view till a big mouth like Joe spills the beans there chief.
Thanks for demonstrating you know absolutely nothing about the facts around what actually happened.
It wasn't hidden, at all. It was well covered when it happened, to include all the details. Here is but one example:
...Public dissatisfaction was growing in late 2015 with Poroshenko’s choice for general prosecutor: Viktor Shokin, a veteran of Ukrainian politics and a close associate of the president. Shokin fumbled the corruption case of a former Yanukovych crony and let him flee the country...
...Shokin served as a reminder that little had changed. He reinforced that perception by hindering an investigation into two high-ranking state prosecutors arrested on corruption charges and after Economy Minister Aivaras Abromavicius cited him by name before quitting in protest over the delayed reforms...
...Dismayed by Poroshenko’s backtracking, the White House withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees until Shokin was fired. Biden delivered that message directly to Poroshenko over the phone...
...“It’s hard to root out corruption in your system if the equivalent of the attorney general is not only corrupt but has a bunch of corrupt cronies in other positions and is actively thwarting investigations of oligarchs and government officials,” the senior U.S. administration official said. “Removing Shokin was a necessary — if not wholly sufficient — factor in continuing Ukraine on the reform path.”...
It would appear from the Last 3 pages it’s not about what laws were broken Or if they were broken -but about who broke them -Right or wrong appears to be determined by the status of the accused -not by the law
It would appear from the Last 3 pages it’s not about what laws were broken Or if they were broken -but about who broke them -Right or wrong appears to be determined by the status of the accused -not by the law
If you've convinced yourself that the situations are the same, using proper government channels in an open and transparent way that was approved of by the republicans in congress at the time vs. Uncle Rudy and his gangster buddies and a phone call you're doing your best to obfuscate, you are displaying a cultish level of denial.
the house and the democrats have been arguing that High Crimes and Misdemeanors can mean anything they say it does, since neither of the things they accuse Trump of are actually crimes. If you think what Trump did are crimes post the relevant Statute, nobody else has.
By that definition if the Republicans take the house and keep the Senate and Biden wins, the Republicans can then Impeach Biden for whatever the heck they want to and call some action he has taken a "high crime and misdemnenor". This is why it is so important how this pans out I am a firm believer that you need an actual legally defined High Crime and Misdemeanor to impeach as to do otherwise is to sow Chaos.
the house and the democrats have been arguing that High Crimes and Misdemeanors can mean anything they say it does, since neither of the things they accuse Trump of are actually crimes. If you think what Trump did are crimes post the relevant Statute, nobody else has.
By that definition if the Republicans take the house and keep the Senate and Biden wins, the Republicans can then Impeach Biden for whatever the heck they want to and call some action he has taken a "high crime and misdemnenor". This is why it is so important how this pans out I am a firm believer that you need an actual legally defined High Crime and Misdemeanor to impeach as to do otherwise is to sow Chaos.
Demanding a foreign leader sabotage our elections in Trump's favor was not just "any old thing". It's an actual crime and so is obstructing justice. I don't see how you don't get this?
if Trump had been removed from office, Biden would be removed within 6 months, but there are two fallacies ..
1. Biden will never be President
2. Trump will never be removed from office.
You think they would just make up stuff to do so?
1. I wouldn't be so sure.
2. I agree. The Senate has devolved into shameless political hacks. But the right is likely to lose the senate in the upcoming election.
People, normal people not Russian paid trolls or far right weirdos like we have on this site, are ashamed of Trump and of the Senate. The mud on the face of the Republican party is going to take some doing to clean off.
Republicans have forfeited their right to complain about anything any future president ever does. There is nothing that they can accuse others of that Trump hasn’t already been guilty of.
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Actually no. Now that Democrats have lowered the bar for impeachment it should be expected Biden her impeached if he somehow became president. You opened this box Democrats
If any box was opened it was by your stupid republicans when they impeached a president for lying about beejays.
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