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Gentrification didn't begin to happen until it started to get safer. Of course, it helped. We all know that it's Black people doing the bulk of the murdering in this country. That's true in St Louis, that's true in Alabama, and that was true in NYC. That was true in LA when I lived there. So less Black people is one way you can lower the murder rate.
Places like St Louis, Detroit, don't have tough policing. Because those cities have hallowed out, left with just poor Black people who don't pay much taxes and hate police, you have habitual offenders flagrantly violating the law. I can take a drive around St Louis or Detroit (and probably Birmingham) and see Black drug pushers openly selling on the street. That sh*t was put down in NYC and had an effect.
The word "black" basically means "descendants of enslaved Americans". One of the reasons that NYC crime rate dropped is the racial changeover from descendants of American slaves to those from Africa and the Caribbean. The total black population in NYC has been pretty stable, I believe, over the period of the crime drop, but many AA have moved south.
People don't want to look at the obvious. It's the group that are descended from racial slavery and are residing in the nation of their ancestors enslavement that are experiencing these elevated rates of violent crime. Indeed, if you look at every country where blacks were enslaved or racially oppressed, such as South Africa, there is a highly elevated rate of violence among that group. Then you take countries like Cameroon, Ghana, Rwanda, Burkina Faso, and many others, these very poor countries have murder rates at least 50 times less than the murder rate in the worst American cities. Even in countries that are considered violent by colonized African standards, such as Nigeria and Kenya....the rate of homicides is significantly less than the rate of homicide among blacks in America, the Caribbean, Brazil, South Africa, etc.
It's clear that racial oppression (the history there of) is linked to higher rates of violence in the black population. However, that is the forbidden link. You have to deflect to out of wedlock births, liberalism and all the other nonsense.
This is what happens when you let the children on the left attempt to run things. They fail miserably because they don't understand the reality of life.
The democrats always destroy a city. Sometimes, they will occasionally elect a republican to fix things for about ten years so that they can go back to destroying it again.
Maybe Trump will be mayor of NYC after his second presidential term. He can clean up NYC like Gulliani did.
When you say that black crime is due to the legacy of slavery, it is a suggestion that humans are incapable of rational thought or decision making and are simply bound by their past. If that was true, blacks should be unable to live in a modern society and should only live in mud huts and hunt with spears. EVERY human has free will and the ability to change the course of their future. We are not destined to a fate simply because of our ethnic and socio-economic heritage.
The democrats always destroy a city. Sometimes, they will occasionally elect a republican to fix things for about ten years so that they can go back to destroying it again.
Maybe Trump will be mayor of NYC after his second presidential term. He can clean up NYC like Gulliani did.
When you say that black crime is due to the legacy of slavery, it is a suggestion that humans are incapable of rational thought or decision making and are simply bound by their past. If that was true, blacks should be unable to live in a modern society and should only live in mud huts and hunt with spears. EVERY human has free will and the ability to change the course of their future. We are not destined to a fate simply because of our ethnic and socio-economic heritage.
Rational thought, as an equal and opposite repellent of centuries of denigrating racial thought, is racial thoughts. If you want to put something back to where it was, you have to do the opposite of what was done. Elevated black consciousness, black affirmation and blacks discriminating to favor blacks...and even blacks seeing themselves as SUPERIOR.....is the equal and opposite rationalization that offsets the conditioning of the current "black inferiority" mindset that is the mental chains of slavery.
You are correct......we are not helpless and we do have the ability to undo this mentality. Without being reminded or remaining cognizant to those forces that moved us (white racism)....we are not rationalizing to oppose those forces by thinking and seeing ourselves opposite the way white America has seen and treated us. Without remaining conscious.......we remained chained. Hence, suppressing the history of racial oppression and its role in creating the unequal socioeconomic and behavior conditions.......helps to preserve those differences.
In the past we've had some centric mayors who cleaned up the mess. I'm concerned we're turning into a Chicago or SanFran where we'll have one left mayor after another causing the city to deteriorate more and more.
Gentrification didn't begin to happen until it started to get safer. Of course, it helped. We all know that it's Black people doing the bulk of the murdering in this country. That's true in St Louis, that's true in Alabama, and that was true in NYC. That was true in LA when I lived there. So less Black people is one way you can lower the murder rate.
Places like St Louis, Detroit, don't have tough policing. Because those cities have hallowed out, left with just poor Black people who don't pay much taxes and hate police, you have habitual offenders flagrantly violating the law. I can take a drive around St Louis or Detroit (and probably Birmingham) and see Black drug pushers openly selling on the street. That sh*t was put down in NYC and had an effect.
St. Louis has been cracking down and it doesn't seem to be working all the well.
And gentrification has been around in New York during the 1980s, and took off in the 90s. Tough police might have helped, but so did gentrification. As NYC got too expensive, many just went to other places like New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
While Black people might do much of the murdering, Blacks are also the vast majority of victims. Alot of Black people looking for safer places to live (and have the resources to go elsewhere) went elsewhere. Ever thought of why alot of poor Blacks stayed? They struggle to do better, those who can find work anyway. And how can the majority of Blacks hate police when the majority of police in St. Louis, Detroit, Birmingham, are Black?
Something else. Do you even know what the Bimingham PD is up to? Have you been there yourself? I have. I actually went to one of the nicer parts of Birmingham. The police there frequently arrests drug dealers. Something else. A large part of Birmingham's murders are related to domestic disputes and revenge killing. In short, not always about drugs, but very severe anger problems and people who are just vindictive. No tough on crime policies will solve that problem.
I think one of the things that makes NYC easier to police is its high density and strict gun laws. At the street level, you can have a lot more police per square mile in a high density city than in low density cities. A low density city like Birmingham is very hard to police as it probably is not a wealthy city that can afford to hire a lot of police, as it is. Then they are spread so thin trying to cover a large area.
I do think that the number of police officers can make a difference. Before the state police were called in to help police and solve murders in Saginaw and Flint Michigan....the murder rates had crept up, while declining in other Michigan cities. Saginaw, a city of less than 50,000, would regularly have over 20 murders a year and Flint was the murder capital of the country for a few years. These were poor cities that could not afford to hire enough police to fit the amount of crime. When the state police started paroling and working to resolve cases, the murder rate went down. Not far enough.....but significantly in both cities.
Sometimes is about budgets and having enough police. Poor cities don't have enough money to fight crime like more well off cities do.
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