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Old 07-30-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by FinsterRufus View Post
Meant to drive fear? That's kinda rude.

All day long here on this board are personal anecdotes from people talking about their experiences from vaccine injuries.

The minute someone shares a story about a person suffering from Covid it's a non starter. Well it's perfectly valid.

I can't speak to the US, but in Sydney where we only have the Delta variant active in the community, we have approximately 2500 cases with 187 in the hospital, 58 in the ICU and 24 on a ventilator.

Some of the people in hospital are young, including two patients in their teens, eight in their 20s, four in their 30s and three in their 40s.
Sydney, eh?

You're facing a military-enforced lockdown. Maybe you should be concerned about that, instead of the opinions of nameless, faceless Americans about a virus that's not particularly concerning for the vast majority of people.

Your priorities are out of whack. From here, it seems that you've fallen for the fear porn, which was kind of the point of the person you responded to.

Yes, meant to drive fear. That's why these stories are pushed so frequently. Forget politics and the virus - this is how the news industry has worked for generations. "If it bleeds, it leads." Surely, you've heard that before. Even in Australia.

The news industry has a financial motivation to drive fear, and they do. It's how they make money. If they don't make you more afraid than the other network, the other network will win your attention and they'll get the advertising revenue. News is a business. Always be considering that.

Per your own numbers, there are 2500 cases. Why are you only hearing about a handful of the worst ones? Where are the stories & reports from people who just had a cough, or no symptoms at all? Why are just a few of the worst cases driving your opinion? Shouldn't the totality of the situation be considered?

If you're seeing three stories, and those three accurately represent the group of people becoming infected, you'd see three relatively healthy people. Maybe one feels worse than the others, but all three are on their feet. That would be an accurate representation if you reduced it to just the average. Instead, you get story after story about the worst possible damage this can do.

Fear porn.

 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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If Delta is that contagious, won't it burn through the population quickly? And how would a restrictions help things with something that contagious? It will just run through families, apartment buildings, and essential businesses. I can't see the public wearing n95s all day, and those cloth masks aren't going to do much.
Scott Gottlieb who is the former FDA chief in the Trump admin says that he believes the US is seeing as many as a million new cases per day, but for various reasons that is not reflected in testing. He expects that this latest wave will pass by September.


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“What it reflects is a reality where you have a highly transmissible variant that’s widely spread across the U.S. right now that’s spreading mostly in a population that’s either vaccinated and developing mild symptoms or no symptoms at all; or spreading in a younger population that’s also less likely to develop symptoms because they’re younger, healthier,” Gottlieb said, when asked by “Squawk Box” co-host Andrew Ross Sorkin how the physician arrived at his “staggering” estimation of 1 million new infections a day.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/dr-s...a-spreads.html
 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:47 AM
 
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The info we are getting about Covid symptoms are changing a bit. Headache is now the #1 symptom. The unique symptom of loss of taste and smell is not happening as much now. Cough isn't either. Runny nose is #2, sneezing is #3. Vaxed or not it's similar.

I have allergies. I can have these symptoms weekly. Not being sarcastic at all, but these are common cold and/or allergy symptoms. I can't tell how one would even know when to get tested at this point.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgntp#image=1
 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:50 AM
 
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
Scott Gottlieb who is the former FDA chief in the Trump admin says that he believes the US is seeing as many as a million new cases per day, but for various reasons that is not reflected in testing. He expects that this latest wave will pass by September.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/dr-s...a-spreads.html
Wouldn't that mean by September we are approaching the end of the pandemic, in the sense of emergencies? Either by vaccination, or infection, the population is developing some level of immunity to the virus that will help make future infections less severe? Yes, I'm painfully aware of the cost to that. But it seems like the virus is determined to resist our efforts: our lockdowns, cloth masks, social distancing, and even vaccines (to the extent that it still transmits).
 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by motownnative View Post
The info we are getting about Covid symptoms are changing a bit. Headache is now the #1 symptom. The unique symptom of loss of taste and smell is not happening as much now. Cough isn't either. Runny nose is #2, sneezing is #3. Vaxed or not it's similar.

I have allergies. I can have these symptoms weekly. Not being sarcastic at all, but these are common cold and/or allergy symptoms. I can't tell how one would even know when to get tested at this point.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgntp#image=1
I have really bad allergies right now. Never even considered that it could be covid.
 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:53 AM
 
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Delta as contagious as chickenpox. And Delta as dangerous as chickenpox too.
 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound View Post
Is that really what you think is going to happen? You will be sent to a concentration camp if you don't get the vaccine? Then what, an oven? There are sincere reasons to not get the vaccine. Your comments are not.
You misunderstood me. I am talking about the wearing of the badges that resembles what they did in WW2. This can lead to much worse.
 
Old 07-30-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
Scott Gottlieb who is the former FDA chief in the Trump admin says that he believes the US is seeing as many as a million new cases per day, but for various reasons that is not reflected in testing. He expects that this latest wave will pass by September.




https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/dr-s...a-spreads.html
Historically the virus hits different areas at different times and cases peak at different times depending on area so on one hand, I think he may be right, it will end soon in places that are currently experiencing surges but will hit other areas later, peak and fall. It’s the pattern we have seen all over the country and all over the world over and over again.
 
Old 07-30-2021, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by kmom2 View Post
Wouldn't that mean by September we are approaching the end of the pandemic, in the sense of emergencies? Either by vaccination, or infection, the population is developing some level of immunity to the virus that will help make future infections less severe? Yes, I'm painfully aware of the cost to that. But it seems like the virus is determined to resist our efforts: our lockdowns, cloth masks, social distancing, and even vaccines (to the extent that it still transmits).
If he is right about the million, then we have already missed any chance to contain this wave and it will serve to inoculate millions more people going forward. Yes, we can do this the hard way.
 
Old 07-30-2021, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Phoenix metro. According to numbers published on AZDHS website - covid hospitalizations on Jul 1 = 530. On July 28 = 1021. The curve is beginning to look hyperbolic, but it's early. To be fair, the previous peaks were around 5000.
Maricopa County is at a 68% occupancy rate overall w/ a 53% ICU occupancy rate.

Here's the breakdown of hospitals in the county:

https://data.tcpalm.com/covid-19-hos...-county/04013/

The ones that do have a full or near full occupancy have a fairly low in relation covid positive rate.

For example, Chandler Regional is at 97% occupancy and has 450 beds. 26 of those are covid patients.
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