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Old 03-27-2020, 01:23 AM
 
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Where on that page does it say that “many of those in this age group who are hospitalized are quickly released to self-quarantine.”?


Literally nowhere.
I read that in a different article. If ARDS or other serious complications is not likely, you are released to self-quarantine.

But you ignored the important part. Only 7% of those with confirmed positives up to age 44 get admitted. And it’s probably more like 3-4% after you factor in all those myriad of cases that never get tested.

 
Old 03-27-2020, 01:24 AM
 
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When did you test negative for the virus?
Why are you asking irrelevant questions that don’t address the provided data?
 
Old 03-27-2020, 01:35 AM
 
Location: AZ
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I read that in a different article. If ARDS or other serious complications is not likely, you are released to self-quarantine.

But you ignored the important part. Only 7% of those with confirmed positives up to age 44 get admitted. And it’s probably more like 3-4% after you factor in all those myriad of cases that never get tested.
I want to see the link that says: “many of those in this age group who are hospitalized are quickly released to self-quarantine.” The definition of “many” is “the majority”, by the way.

Technically you need to incorporate part of the other age group that’s listed as we were discussing under 50, not 44; the percentage is greater than 7%.

And no, you can’t reduce the percentage by an arbitrary amount because you think it should be lower.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 01:41 AM
 
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Why are you asking irrelevant questions that don’t address the provided data?
Irrelevant? Really? To who? You?
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In China, there is a 20-year old woman who has become the first case that indicates that a person can spread Coronavirus to others without actually showing any symptoms themselves. The Wuhan native is under observation at the Fifth People's Hospital of Anyang after having believed to have passed on the COVID-19 virus to 5 family members—they insist she is the only relative who had been to Wuhan recently. It has already been reported that the Coronavirus incubation period may be much longer than the previously thought 14-days, and instead could be as high as 27-days before the first symptoms show up.

https://www.news18.com/news/tech/cor...s-2514577.html
 
Old 03-27-2020, 01:46 AM
 
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I want to see the link that says: “many of those in this age group who are hospitalized are quickly released to self-quarantine.”

Technically you need to incorporate part of the other age group that’s listed as we were discussing under 50, not 44; the percentage is greater than 7%.

And no, you can’t reduce the percentage by an arbitrary amount because you think it should be lower.
Yes I absolutely can if there are ANY cases of covid-19 that are not tested positives. And the authorities say that the tested positives represent a fraction of the total number of cases. And this is borne out by the exponential increase in cases we are seeing. If the total number of cases is even only double the amount of tested cases, which is an absurdly low estimate, than my 3-4% hospitalization rate estimate grossly overstates the case.

And adding 45-49 year olds doesn’t change the number much, if at all.

The conclusion is correct. Sub 50s have a very low expectation of ever being hospitalized for this virus. Ridiculously low.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 01:52 AM
 
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Irrelevant? Really? To who? You?
I don’t believe tests are available to asymptomatic citizens. If the test becomes available and does not involve traveling to a health care facility, where one is asking to be infected, I’ll be happy to entertain a regular testing regimen.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 01:53 AM
 
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Yes I absolutely can if there are ANY cases of covid-19 that are not tested positives. And the authorities say that the tested positives represent a fraction of the total number of cases. And this is borne out by the exponential increase in cases we are seeing. If the total number of cases is even only double the amount of tested cases, which is an absurdly low estimate, than my 3-4% hospitalization rate estimate grossly overstates the case.

And adding 45-49 year olds doesn’t change the number much, if at all.

The conclusion is correct. Sub 50s have a very low expectation of ever being hospitalized for this virus. Ridiculously low.
No, you can’t just arbitrarily modify the data and then claim it’s valid.

Also where’s the link to back up your other claim?

Your reference site is ONLY FOR ONE CITY. CDC data for the country puts hospitalization percentages as such:

Hospitalization percentages by age group:
20-44 year olds: 14.3-20.8%
44-54 year olds: 20.5-30.1%

ICU percentages by age group:
20-44 year olds: 2-4.2%
44-54 year olds: 5.4-10.4%

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Old 03-27-2020, 02:01 AM
 
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I don’t believe tests are available to asymptomatic citizens. If the test becomes available and does not involve traveling to a health care facility, where one is asking to be infected, I’ll be happy to entertain a regular testing regimen.
And that is the problem and my point. They should be readily available in order to stop the spread quicker but alas, they are not and that is due to incompetence and apathy, but that's a subject for lots of other threads. This crisis situation was not strategically addressed.
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South Korea’s rapid coronavirus testing, far ahead of the U.S., could be saving lives
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...life-and-death

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Old 03-27-2020, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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In New York City only 7% of those up to age 44 who test positive are hospitalized at all. 93% are not. And many of those in this age group who are hospitalized are quickly released to self-quarantine.

And that is based on 20,000 tested and confirmed cases. The rate is much lower if you include the people who develop some symptoms but are never tested.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...e-chart-2020-3
And who knows if they do it don't become moderate or severe down the road. New York has a problem where they have too many severe cases and it is filling up the hospitals. That is why quarantine is being used, they have to wait to see if cases get worse and if they do, of rooms opened for them.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 02:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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A huge win for open borders!
Thankfully it's a relatively mild virus.

But next time it might not be. Time to shut the borders and end immigration!
And when or if we start immigration back up, we should force ALL immigrants to go through medical checks at Ellis Island once again, like they did in the old days.
Thing is, immigrants are the least of our worries if anyone can just buy a plane ticket to anywhere around the world with just a passport, stay anywhere around the world for as long as they want, and then hop back on that plane with just a passport required, no health certificates or quarantine required.
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