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Old 03-27-2020, 06:38 AM
 
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I think it’s tough to pin it all on Trump. Pandemics happen. His response was incredibly poor, but I’m not willing to lay all of the blame at his feet. He is one of many culpable actors.
The virus and economy tanking aren't his fault.

What he says and the way he manages it is.

 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Does anyone have accurate data on how many tests each country has performed in total?

Not entirely up to date but world data.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...ng-source-data
 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:40 AM
 
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I think it’s tough to pin it all on Trump. Pandemics happen. His response was incredibly poor, but I’m not willing to lay all of the blame at his feet. He is one of many culpable actors.
Well, of course it's not all his fault. But the Buck stops there and the singular person most responsible for handling this- the ONLY person who can shut down the FAA flights spreading it....and many other such actions...are on him.

Instead he lies and downplays it. More blood is on his hands than anyone else....put it that way. Of course his supported who aren't isolating and infecting others aren't exactly good citizens but if Trump took it seriously we'd be in lockdown.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:40 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/sta...74229958815747

Briefed in December.

Did nothing but lie about it for the next three months.
Good lord

Once this information goes viral nationwide today, it will probably spell the end of Trump. Not a chance he wins reelection at this point.

Knowing that Trump was briefed on coroanvirus over three months ago and completely ignored the warning signs, when can now, literally, blame every single American death on him.

Trump is toast. I hope the incoming democratic president opens broad and sweeping investigations across his entire administration, including the incredible mismanagement of this corona pandemic.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:42 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/sta...74229958815747

Briefed in December.

Did nothing but lie about it for the next three months.
Reading between the lines....no wonder Trump ignored the warnin signs.

It was U.S. Inteilligence agencies that warned Trump about the incoming corona pandemic.

And as we all know, Trump doesn't trust the U.S. Intellience agencies. They're part of the "Deep State" that's been out to get him since day 1.


https://twitter.com/JohnFCorbin/stat...42682040066048
 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:44 AM
 
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Yes I absolutely can if there are ANY cases of covid-19 that are not tested positives. And the authorities say that the tested positives represent a fraction of the total number of cases. And this is borne out by the exponential increase in cases we are seeing. If the total number of cases is even only double the amount of tested cases, which is an absurdly low estimate, than my 3-4% hospitalization rate estimate grossly overstates the case.

And adding 45-49 year olds doesn’t change the number much, if at all.

The conclusion is correct. Sub 50s have a very low expectation of ever being hospitalized for this virus. Ridiculously low.
40% of 20-54 are requiring hospitalization according to NYT.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Henry Ford Health System (multiple hospitals) in MI have run out of bed for CV patients. I wonder if that happens early in Flu season? Or due to MV Accidents?

NOT.

Hasn't even really started out there yet either. Sad
Sure hospitals running triage from tents and running out of protective gear and ventilators, just a typical flu season. There was 160 hospital workers in Boston tested positive, same in other areas.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 06:59 AM
 
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40% of 20-54 are requiring hospitalization according to NYT.
do you have a link? that's WAY higher than anything i've heard, which is more in the <5% range for that age group.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 07:03 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Why do the flu numbers keep being waved around when the death rate isn't remotely comparable?



40-70% of the population will have had it within the year. To be nice and hopeful, if you take the low-end number of 40%, that means over 2.5 million people will be dead this time next year. In the US alone.


On what planet can we compare the flu numbers to that?
Wrong.

The numbers for the Virus will not be any higher than the 30-60,000 a year for flu.

The experts are already revising their estimates and admitting they way over estimated.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 07:07 AM
 
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Wrong.

The numbers for the Virus will not be any higher than the 30-60,000 a year for flu.

The experts are already revising their estimates and admitting they way over estimated.
It's as if you don't understand that 20% of Flu patients don't need ventilators and isolation...and/or that the speed of those cases is what over-taxes the system....and that we've had 100 years to prepare for the flu..and much more.

At the same time having moved from 15...then zero very soon...to Million infected and 10's of thousands of dead, you are definitely coming along.
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