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Old 04-14-2020, 09:48 AM
 
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I think we all want things to go back to normal and as soon as they can but we have to be feel good how it is done and that we can be relatively safe in doing so.

I think the concern is more the image of just widely declaring the country has to go back to normal -- schools opening, etc....without consideration for a possible wave of continued spreading of the virus
Social distancing has provided the statistical positives with regard to COVID19's spread. The lower numbers are proof of that, and people are misunderstanding those numbers to mean that the virus has lost it's lethal steam and therefore, we can all get back to the kind of fraternization we're used to. Numbers are just that, a counting of victims, a record of deaths, they have NO bearing on the state of the virus itself.

But many people can't think in linear terms, their thoughts are fragmented, hopping from one rambling notion to the next in hopes of making sense of something. Most of the time they are trying to skew information to fit their pretzel logic along with an inherited (Fox) political narrative.

DEFINING LINEAR AND FRAGMENTED THINKING

In a society of intelligent people, there would be no need to close certain businesses in times like these, they would simply be closing for lack of customers. But, this is Murica, land of freedumb and home of the not so bright. Government intervened in a society that failed to restrain itself, look at the recent spring break fiasco in Florida, that kind of mindless partying is just the kind of thing that allows the spread of infection to reach critical mass. And the youth were laughing in disbelief. This is the mindset we all face when attempting to find ways to ameliorate the pain of shutting down business, fools, the bane of any society..

 
Old 04-14-2020, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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But leftists think a reasonable approach is to wait until the economy is beyond repair, have the bulk of small business (which is what provides the majority of jobs) go bankrupt, and then have "THE RICH" support everyone through years of the next Great Depression. That's not reasonable.

A reasonable approach is to open the country first in a) areas where they are just a handful of infections and then b) in areas that had been harder hit but are on the downward part of the curve. We are already in a position to do "a" and within a couple of weeks of "b".
There are 10 states coordinating reopening, 3 western and 7 North Eastern states as it should be. Trump needs to make sure the states have enough funding and shut up and get out of the way. Still a ways to go before they open but its good to have a plan.


Does every post of yours have to contain "leftist" and claim there is always some dastardly conspiracy, after all this is a pandemic.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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Sweden has a death rate right now of 8.6 percent. So no, they're not looking so good.
So why aren't they locking down?

They have 10,000,000 people, ~11,500 confirmed cases, ~1050 passed away.

People have a little more than 1 out of a thousand chance (.00115) of even being infected given this statistical snapshot.

What are the factors for their death rate? Underlying conditions? Resilient enough to withstand virus? Died with virus instead of virus?

Every death is a tragedy, but this CV is not an extinction event for mankind.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 10:28 AM
 
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"Our recovery?" The only thing you'll accomplish is a retreat to what caused the rapid spreading of a viral disease, did you think that the re-opening of business will signal the virus to stop it's spread? Social distancing gave us the positive metrics we are seeing, and you are misunderstanding those numbers as a reason to stop the distancing and go right back to mass fraternization---and a another round of spreading the infection..Making this about Trump is just adding foolishness to a problem that needs no further foolish intervention.

I'm now wondering if many in America have ever experienced something that is truly catastrophic, this is affecting every person in this country. It isn't a flood down in Mississippi, or a hurricane in Florida, this is going to hurt the entire American population in ways we couldn't have understood before this horrific event--does that sound like a political problem--or a medical problem?
You are exactly right. people today have no clue what a real disaster is, many believe its time to re open everything, simply because that is their mentality, its considered laziness to sit around and do nothing for weeks, months, responding in this way is really the only thing they know how to do.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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Trying, by all means available; to avoid getting the virus and dying, is not sitting in our butts, collecting welfare. No one asked for this horrendous dilemma.

Opening, too soon, before test and healing medicine, sounds like a disaster.

Things seem to be getting somewhat better. Trump saying no one dying in January, was his reasoning for not doing anything, thinking the U.S. was somehow immune to the contagious virus is just nuts.

Maybe, he needs to put on protective gear and tour the country and it's hospitals and nursing homes to see first hand what is going on. From his throne, it's a long way from the front lines.

And you would have screamed loudly and clearly had your liberties been infringed upon.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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Yesterday there was a segment on Tucker Carlson tonight, some professor had the idea of mass producing rapid tests (kind of like pregnancy tests) that would let people self-test themselves for corona. If we could produce millions of them, then effectively everyone would know their status and those who are positive would isolate themselves until they are no longer positive. In theory, this could effectively eliminate the virus entirely. No human carriers means the virus goes extinct until someone in china eats another bat. Not sure how feasible this would be, but it certainly is interesting to think about.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Testing must take place on a large scale.
There is no way you can justify that.

Randomly testing people is a waste of precious time, money, labor and resources.

Testing misleads people with a false sense of security.

Just because you tested negative today is not proof you won't test positive in the future and stupid people might actually thinking testing inoculates them against infection.

Testing is useful if and only if you are tracking the contacts of an infected person.

The situation in many areas is out of control now and that is not a possibility for any number of reasons.

In areas where cases are few, testing would be useful if and only if you were testing the people who had contact with infected people and then seeking out the people with whom they've had contact and testing them until you get to the end of the line.

But all that is a big waste of time and money if you're going to let people with COVID-19 come into your area and spread the disease around.

If you want to impress me, tell us how long immunity to COVID-19 lasts once a person has been exposed to it.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So why aren't they locking down?

They have 10,000,000 people, ~11,500 confirmed cases, ~1050 passed away.

People have a little more than 1 out of a thousand chance (.00115) of even being infected given this statistical snapshot.

What are the factors for their death rate? Underlying conditions? Resilient enough to withstand virus? Died with virus instead of virus?

Every death is a tragedy, but this CV is not an extinction event for mankind.
Its not an extinction but its certainly overwhelming the health system because of the rapid spread and dramatic impact on hospital ICUs in just 2 months. Its not just the infections and deaths, its also those that are treated and recovered. I don't recall where we had a virus this deadly killing doctors, nurses and first responders.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Trying, by all means available; to avoid getting the virus and dying, is not sitting in our butts, collecting welfare. No one asked for this horrendous dilemma.

Opening, too soon, before test and healing medicine, sounds like a disaster.

Things seem to be getting somewhat better. Trump saying no one dying in January, was his reasoning for not doing anything, thinking the U.S. was somehow immune to the contagious virus is just nuts.

Maybe, he needs to put on protective gear and tour the country and it's hospitals and nursing homes to see first hand what is going on. From his throne, it's a long way from the front lines.
Exactly. Trump owns this if he opens it. If governors do it either on their own or banding together, that removes Trump's culpability. The problem is Trump HAS to be the leader and HAS to be the center of attention. This is why he is saying HE should say when states re-open, not the states. So much for state's rights amiright?
 
Old 04-14-2020, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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They federal government distributed 15 rapid testing kits from Abbott Laboratories to each state, unfortunately they only have enough cartridges to test 100 people and cant get additional cartridges.
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