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Because as we get more and more information the curve is showing to flatten in most areas. New York barely did. New Orleans is fairly similar. Other areas like California are fairly flat which is why the California spike isn't expected until May.
most states can open up soon to do business, east and west coasts not so much.
This will be good for the South, they'll get a head start, you can't do business with one's that aren't opened...
Talk of pro golf coming back in June at Charles Schwab Open. Wouldn't count on baseball, regardless, teams will be playing to empty stadiums. NFL, NBA, and NHL need to play some sort of season, even if abbreviated.
There is a HUGELY big flaw in people's arguments about why we cannot or should not open up the economy again. The economy was NOT shut down to prevent people from getting the virus. It was shut down to prevent too many people getting it at ONE TIME and thus overwhelming the healthcare system. That's it. Once we know that the amount of people getting the virus and needing medical attention will not overwhelm the healthcare system, then we can open up again (Yes, bit by bit and area by area, as is planned). People keep making the mistake of thinking we are shut down and need to stay shut down simply because people may get sick or die. If that was the case, we would be shutting down off and on for all kinds of issues. It is simply because of not wanting to overwhelm the healthcare system. All this back and forth arguing over how many people will die is missing the point completely.
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You're right of course !!!
However the Kings, AKA - Governors, want to exercise the new found powers over the populace !!!
They don't want people to be reminded of the relevant facts that would solve a problem !!!
Example :
King/Gov. Newsom wants to enact the leftist agenda !!! He doesn't want to be bothered or see his power removed before he can create maximum damage to both the economy and the citizen !!! Noncitizens and criminals are the priority of the left and until they are raised to the level of aristocracy over citizens, and well funded, the stay at home order won't be lifted !!! Unless it can be replaced by something even more damaging that will drag out the pain even longer !!!
Disantis can’t get the dam unemployment checks out after 3 weeks and yet he is ready to open up with now over 650 deaths and 21800 plus cases! FL is still a hot spot. The man is a fr3aking lunatic and needs to step down ! I wonder how many deaths are under his belt for letting the spring breakers hang out - 100% true piece of shyte.
There is a HUGELY big flaw in people's arguments about why we cannot or should not open up the economy again. The economy was NOT shut down to prevent people from getting the virus. It was shut down to prevent too many people getting it at ONE TIME and thus overwhelming the healthcare system. That's it. Once we know that the amount of people getting the virus and needing medical attention will not overwhelm the healthcare system, then we can open up again (Yes, bit by bit and area by area, as is planned). People keep making the mistake of thinking we are shut down and need to stay shut down simply because people may get sick or die. If that was the case, we would be shutting down off and on for all kinds of issues. It is simply because of not wanting to overwhelm the healthcare system. All this back and forth arguing over how many people will die is missing the point completely.
You may now carry on with your arguing. Thank you for your time.
Well if we do overwhelm the healthcare system, people will die needlessly so it's not just talk or there's a political agenda behind it. It's just reality based on logic. Given how fast this virus will spread, by opening it in sections... it's just a risky play.
Now here's where the political agenda comes in:
GOP wants to open the economy - to stop it from "collapsing"
Democrats wants to wait until we're really sure before we open the economy - playing the better be safe than sorry route and are putting the economy 2nd.
The GOP obviously sides with big business - so they of course don't want it to collapse.
The Democrats - have a wishy washy agenda. They have a legit health reason to do it. But they're sort of using this as a tool to further their agenda (expansion of Gov - liberal/progressive policies).
My argument is as long as you keep giving money to people (Through a UBI or just constant checks until this crisis is over) - NOT corporations to maintain their homes, keep food on the table, and pay bills, you can shutdown as long as you'd like. If companies fail that's fine because all that will happen is kill off the Wall Street folks - particularly bad management at corporations who didn't think to save their profits for a rainy day instead they spent it on stock buybacks and C-suite bonuses. Letting them collapse is a way to teach them a hard lesson and get rid of terrible management. I'm all for this. Because at the end of the day, it's not the buildings or companies that built America, it's the people. It's us, the human capital who built this country. We can always rebuild.
Well if we do overwhelm the healthcare system, people will die needlessly so it's not just talk or there's a political agenda behind it. It's just reality based on logic.
Now here's where the political agenda comes in:
GOP wants to open the economy - to stop it from "collapsing"
Democrats wants to wait until we're really sure before we open the economy - playing the better be safe than sorry route and are putting the economy 2nd.
The GOP obviously sides with big business - so they of course don't want it to collapse.
The Democrats - have a wishy washy agenda. They have a legit health reason to do it. But they're sort of using this as a tool to further their agenda (expansion of Gov - liberal/progressive policies).
My argument is as long as you keep giving money to people (Through a UBI or just constant checks until this crisis is over) - NOT corporations to maintain their homes, keep food on the table, and pay bills, you can shutdown as long as you'd like. If companies fail that's fine because all that will happen is kill off the Wall Street folks - particularly bad management at corporations who didn't think to save their profits for a rainy day instead of spending it on stock buybacks and C-suite bonuses. Letting them collapse is a way to teach them a hard lesson and get rid of terrible management. I'm all for this.
While I may disagree with you, I appreciate that you actually put thought into your response. Bravo to you! I wish more people could discuss things like this, rather than the endless yelling back and forth like kids. BTW - I don't disagree with it all. I think you touch on some reality there.
Agree with your basic premise, we saw what it would do to the health care system in NYC if it spread out of control. Avoiding that is critical.
When there is a gradual reopening, cases will inevitably rise. There isn't any way to stop the spread completely at this point.
The key is monitoring to make sure the rise is cases is not unmanageable, and is accompanied by rapid testing and tracing. We don't have the capacity for that yet, so we can't even consider reopening at this point.
Agree with your basic premise, we saw what it would do to the health care system in NYC if it spread out of control. Avoiding that is critical.
When there is a gradual reopening, cases will inevitably rise. There isn't any way to stop the spread completely at this point.
The key is monitoring to make sure the rise is cases is not unmanageable, and is accompanied by rapid testing and tracing. We don't have the capacity for that yet, so we can't even consider reopening at this point.
I believe they are close, so it at least has to be planned now. There is another test being mass produced right now and available next week, that will let people know if they already had it and have antibodies, so that in itself would be the biggest help.
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