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Like I said in my post, UHC won't make a difference with the transmission of corona one way or the other. But it certainly won't make things worse. At least with UHC, if people are showing early symptoms, they can go to the doctor.
Uninsured people in the US, on the other hand, have to wait until their symptoms are so bad, they end up in the ER, which we taxpayers end up paying for anyway.
Italy and Spain haven't had just problems with transmission but with deaths.
More people going to the doctor or hospital with mild symptoms is precisely why those places have overloaded medical resources and made it harder for those with serious conditions to get treatment.
Your last sentence is branching into a general discussion of private versus UHC which is for another thread.
Italy and Spain haven't had just problems with transmission but with deaths.
But Canada, Germany, Norway, Austria, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, and other advanced countries with UHC haven't had significant problems with deaths. Our death rates, per capita, are higher.
Again, UHC might not help in terms of controlling transmission, but it certainly isn't going to make this worse, as the other poster suggested it would.
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But Canada, Germany, Norway, Austria, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, and other advanced countries with UHC haven't had significant problems with deaths. Our death rates, per capita, are higher.
Again, UHC might not help in terms of controlling transmission, but it certainly isn't going to make this worse, as the other poster suggested it would.
And UK, France, Belgium, Switzerland, and Netherlands have more than double the death rate of the US. But it's pointless to be doing this country by country comparisons of infected rates and death rates because reporting standards and methods vary widely within countries and even more so between countries. Does anyone really believe Russia, India, Indonesia, and Egypt have the best health care systems? They have the lowest death rates, around 1 per million. As do most African, Middle Eastern, and South American countries.
"UHC isn't going to make it worse" is not something you can definitively know, and even if true is not a viable reason to make such a dramatic institutional change.
"UHC isn't going to make it worse" is not something you can definitively know, and even if true is not a viable reason to make such a dramatic institutional change.
The notion that universal healthcare WOULD make this situation worse isn't something anyone can definitively know, either. That's the point I made.
Love all the "experts" of UHC who've never lived in a country with UHC and never experienced UHC firsthand. But, yes, that's a topic for another thread.
This thread has become a blob of pet political peeves and rants....
certainly a lot of assumptions and predictions with little backing/explanation.
We claim to have the best Health system (care and insurance) in the world.... and use that messaging to resist any sort of change. You know what we top now? the number of COVID-19 deaths.
Vote out every last incumbent politician.
This must be done. We must hit the reset button in order to take back control of OUR government. It is of the utmost importance to do this. Every last incumbent, good, bad, or whatever, must be voted out of office.
Vote out every last incumbent politician.
This must be done. We must hit the reset button in order to take back control of OUR government. It is of the utmost importance to do this. Every last incumbent, good, bad, or whatever, must be voted out of office.
Those of you who voted for Trump because he's not a politician, I hope your next colonoscopy is done by a plumber!
This thread has become a blob of pet political peeves and rants....
certainly a lot of assumptions and predictions with little backing/explanation.
We claim to have the best Health system (care and insurance) in the world.... and use that messaging to resist any sort of change. You know what we top now? the number of COVID-19 deaths.
By George T. Conway III, Reed Galen, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson
The authors are on the advisory board of the Lincoln Project.
...
Today, the United States is beset with a president who was unprepared for the burden of the presidency and who has made plain his deficits in leadership, management, intelligence and morality.
When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.
...
Biden’s life has been marked by triumphs that didn’t change the goodness in him, and he is a man for whom public service never went to his head. His long record of bipartisan friendship and cross-partisan legislative efforts commends him to this moment. He is an imperfect man, but a man who loves his country and its people with a broad smile and an open heart.
In this way, Trump is a photonegative of Joe Biden. While Trump has innumerable flaws and a lifetime of blaming others for them, Biden has long admitted his imperfections and in doing so has further illustrated his inherent goodness and his willingness to do the work necessary to help put the United States back on a path of health and prosperity.
Unlike Trump, Biden is not an international embarrassment, nor does he demonstrate malignant narcissism. A President Biden will steady the ship of state and begin binding up the wounds of a fractured country. We have faith that Biden will surround himself by advisers of competence, expertise and wisdom, not an endless parade of disposable lackeys.
For Trump, the presidency has been the biggest stage, under the hottest klieg lights in a reality show of his making. Every episode leaves the audience more shocked and divided. Trump’s only barometer is his own ego. The country, our values and its people do not factor into Trump’s equation.
...
The coronavirus crisis is a terrifying example of why real leadership looks outward. This crisis, the deaths and economic destruction are immeasurably worse because Trump and his administration were unwilling to do what was necessary to mitigate its worst effects and bring the country back as quickly as possible.
We asked ourselves: How would a Biden presidency handle this crisis? Would he spend weeks lying about the risk? Would he look to cable news, the stock market and his ratings before taking the steps to make us safer? The answer is obvious: Biden will be the superior leader during the crisis of our generation.
We’ve seen the damage three years of corruption and cultish amateurism can do. This country cannot afford to be torn apart for sport and profit for another term, as Trump will surely do. If Biden takes office next January, he won’t need on-the-job training.
We are in a transcendent and transformative period of American history. The nation cannot afford another four years of chaos, duplicity and Trump’s reality distortion. This country is crying out for a president with a spine stiffened by tragedy, a worldview shaped by experience and a heart whose compass points to decency.
It is our hope that when the next president takes the oath of office in January, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. will be the president for a truly united America. The stakes are too high to do anything less.
By George T. Conway III, Reed Galen, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver and Rick Wilson
The authors are on the advisory board of the Lincoln Project.
...
Today, the United States is beset with a president who was unprepared for the burden of the presidency and who has made plain his deficits in leadership, management, intelligence and morality.
When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.
...
Biden’s life has been marked by triumphs that didn’t change the goodness in him, and he is a man for whom public service never went to his head. His long record of bipartisan friendship and cross-partisan legislative efforts commends him to this moment. He is an imperfect man, but a man who loves his country and its people with a broad smile and an open heart.
In this way, Trump is a photonegative of Joe Biden. While Trump has innumerable flaws and a lifetime of blaming others for them, Biden has long admitted his imperfections and in doing so has further illustrated his inherent goodness and his willingness to do the work necessary to help put the United States back on a path of health and prosperity.
Unlike Trump, Biden is not an international embarrassment, nor does he demonstrate malignant narcissism. A President Biden will steady the ship of state and begin binding up the wounds of a fractured country. We have faith that Biden will surround himself by advisers of competence, expertise and wisdom, not an endless parade of disposable lackeys.
For Trump, the presidency has been the biggest stage, under the hottest klieg lights in a reality show of his making. Every episode leaves the audience more shocked and divided. Trump’s only barometer is his own ego. The country, our values and its people do not factor into Trump’s equation.
...
The coronavirus crisis is a terrifying example of why real leadership looks outward. This crisis, the deaths and economic destruction are immeasurably worse because Trump and his administration were unwilling to do what was necessary to mitigate its worst effects and bring the country back as quickly as possible.
We asked ourselves: How would a Biden presidency handle this crisis? Would he spend weeks lying about the risk? Would he look to cable news, the stock market and his ratings before taking the steps to make us safer? The answer is obvious: Biden will be the superior leader during the crisis of our generation.
We’ve seen the damage three years of corruption and cultish amateurism can do. This country cannot afford to be torn apart for sport and profit for another term, as Trump will surely do. If Biden takes office next January, he won’t need on-the-job training.
We are in a transcendent and transformative period of American history. The nation cannot afford another four years of chaos, duplicity and Trump’s reality distortion. This country is crying out for a president with a spine stiffened by tragedy, a worldview shaped by experience and a heart whose compass points to decency.
It is our hope that when the next president takes the oath of office in January, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. will be the president for a truly united America. The stakes are too high to do anything less.
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