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Old 04-27-2020, 10:31 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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That is why the Republican Party lost me. I first registered to vote in 1992 to vote for H.W., and had been a republican for over 20 years.

But Trump dragging the Republican Party to the extreme far-right, and seeing so many friends and family that I considered to be decent, kind, people...follow Donald to the extreme far right, it really turned me off.

"Your father's GOP" is long, long gone. Most of the people that I know in person and have met online that are still Trump supporters today are NOT the type of people I'd want to be associated with.
A good example of this (in boldface) is Laura Ingraham of Fox. Before Trump she seemed like such a nice person. Moderate conservative, very pleasant personality, very likeable, etc. Now that she's OD'd on the kool-aid she's become a mean, nasty, heartless, lying nutjob. Just like Trump. Everything Trump touches dies.
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Old 04-27-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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IDK what conservative or liberal means anymore.

State's rights? Balanced budgets? Care for the environment?

Everything is twisted. There are no more give us more federal money grubbing states than the one's dealing with natural disasters. Texas is supposed to be conservative, but it's hand is always in somebody else's pocket when it comes to FEMA. These conservatives allow building in areas know to be in danger of flooding, then put their hand out when it happens.

I used to vote Republican. They used to be the people who ran the town banks and car dealerships. They knew how to count. No anymore.

All citizens have the same rights and responsibilities.

But, the business loving corporate democrats internal battle with their far left crazies have left many of us with no place to go. The DNC is not accountable to anybody. At least the CNP can control the RNC.
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Old 04-27-2020, 10:36 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I'm not sure the Republican party has moved further to the right as much as it has just become increasingly intolerant and xenophobic.
This is wrong. It is the Democrats who have moved to the far left by openly embracing illegal immigration.

Not even Obama did that when he was in office, even though he too is now in favor of open borders since he supports Joe Biden.
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Old 04-27-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Absurd.

If Reagan is alive today, he would call himself a liberal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdGflNp10Lk


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You have to love how those on the left took Reagan to the cleaners (because he was pragmatic) and didn't live up to the immigration plan he signed, and now want to use how he felt in 1980 to pigeonhole him.

Reagan clearly thought Mexico could wind up turning to communism and certainly didn't want that. However when he talked about Mexicans coming here to work legally, it was not to cross the border illegally, unfettered and then dipping into the shadows.
So yes, building a wall was not something he supported back then, but he changed his mind over time.
More importantly, his idea of having a successful and controlled legal work program did not come about.

Open borders are not a concept any conservative will support, including back then. So don't try to portray not wanting a wall in 1980 as some type of example that Reagan was liberal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3clRraH77M



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ZZaXcwLkA


Knowing your views based on your posting history, I'll bet you thought Reagan was a ____ist and _____phobe back in the day as well.
So don't try to use him to make your point, as you picked the wrong person to say he would be considered a liberal.



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Old 04-27-2020, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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A good example of this (in boldface) is Laura Ingraham of Fox. Before Trump she seemed like such a nice person. Moderate conservative, very pleasant personality, very likeable, etc. Now that she's OD'd on the kool-aid she's become a mean, nasty, heartless, lying nutjob. Just like Trump. Everything Trump touches dies.
I don't know about Ingraham but the heartless neoliberal conservatism that had dominated the party was not 'kind'.

It was vindictive and cruel, and it called for the total obliteration of small communities and lower wage workers for international finance, and economic efficiency.

It gave power of economic governance to private equity, and stripped small capital holders bare, and then lectured them about working for lower wages than chinese or mexican slave labor.

It was not kind, it was monstrous ideology, masked in terms like austerity, moderation, and fiscal responsibility.

The standard bearers held violent hatred for freedom in favor of global capitalism, along with a strict technocratic philosophy on morals and a worship of mass media.

Fools and worse, they deserved to die.
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Old 04-27-2020, 11:57 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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I don't know about Ingraham but the heartless neoliberal conservatism that had dominated the party was not 'kind'.

It was vindictive and cruel, and it called for the total obliteration of small communities and lower wage workers for international finance, and economic efficiency.

It gave power of economic governance to private equity, and stripped small capital holders bare, and then lectured them about working for lower wages than chinese or mexican slave labor.

It was not kind, it was monstrous ideology, masked in terms like austerity, moderation, and fiscal responsibility.

The standard bearers held violent hatred for freedom in favor of global capitalism, along with a strict technocratic philosophy on morals and a worship of mass media.

Fools and worse, they deserved to die.
Well, it's nice to be called a capitalist fool for a change instead of a lefty.
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:01 PM
 
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Yes, conservatism has changed by moving further and further to the right.

They left behind the center, which has been claimed and occupied by the liberals.


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i got to that last bit and realized you weren't even trying to be serious.


just stop.
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:10 PM
 
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RINOs groomed and desperate to keep the two party system going.
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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Yes, conservatism has changed by moving further and further to the right.

They left behind the center, which has been claimed and occupied by the liberals.

Case in point, universal healthcare was a Republican idea. First adopted by a Republican governor. It's a good centrist policy. Then the Republicans moved further to the right and thought UHC is evil. Fine, Democrats took it and now UHC is a Democratic thing.

Why they keep moving toward the extreme right? I would be interested to hear people's theory.
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Trump came to power as the repudiation of the Republican establishment. But the conservative political class and the new leader soon reached an understanding. Whatever their differences on issues like trade and immigration, they shared a basic goal: to strip-mine public assets for the benefit of private interests. Republican politicians and donors who wanted government to do as little as possible for the common good could live happily with a regime that barely knew how to govern at all, and they made themselves Trump’s footmen.

Trump began to immolate what was left of national civic life. He never even pretended to be president of the whole country, but pitted us against one another along lines of race, sex, religion, citizenship, education, region, and—every day of his presidency—political party. His main tool of governance was to lie. A third of the country locked itself in a hall of mirrors that it believed to be reality; a third drove itself mad with the effort to hold on to the idea of knowable truth; and a third gave up even trying.


You think this is a recent Republican thing? Really......
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:31 PM
 
Location: USA
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I don't know about Ingraham but the heartless neoliberal conservatism that had dominated the party was not 'kind'.

It was vindictive and cruel, and it called for the total obliteration of small communities and lower wage workers for international finance, and economic efficiency.

It gave power of economic governance to private equity, and stripped small capital holders bare, and then lectured them about working for lower wages than chinese or mexican slave labor.

It was not kind, it was monstrous ideology, masked in terms like austerity, moderation, and fiscal responsibility.

The standard bearers held violent hatred for freedom in favor of global capitalism, along with a strict technocratic philosophy on morals and a worship of mass media.
Nobody ever got rich being a “nice guy,” they got rich by destroying the lives of others.

Being rich means having control of the fruits of someone else’s labor.

How does one get control of the fruits of someone else’s labor? The answer is simple: you expropriate it via grossly unequal bargaining power. The simplest way to do this is to hold a gun to someone’s head and demand all of their money. You are giving them a choice between the fruits of their labor and their very life. Doing that, however, is usually illegal.

But it’s perfectly legal to take advantage of the desperation of the landless masses: you use wealth itself to expropriate the fruits of their labor. The masses are desperate for money to survive, so they have no choice but to give you their labor in exchange for meager wages. Difference between the labor value and wages is called profit. Profit is the labor value expropriated from the masses through unequal bargaining power.

Modern conservatism is all about protecting profit, at any cost. If it means sacrificing communities and traditional values, so be it.
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