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Old 04-27-2020, 01:06 PM
 
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Nobody ever got rich being a “nice guy,” they got rich by destroying the lives of others.

Being rich means having control of the fruits of someone else’s labor.

How does one get control of the fruits of someone else’s labor? The answer is simple: you expropriate it via grossly unequal bargaining power. The simplest way to do this is to hold a gun to someone’s head and demand all of their money. You are giving them a choice between the fruits of their labor and their very life. Doing that, however, is usually illegal.

But it’s perfectly legal to take advantage of the desperation of the landless masses: you use wealth itself to expropriate the fruits of their labor. The masses are desperate for money to survive, so they have no choice but to give you their labor in exchange for meager wages. Difference between the labor value and wages is called profit. Profit is the labor value expropriated from the masses through unequal bargaining power.

Modern conservatism is all about protecting profit, at any cost. If it means sacrificing communities and traditional values, so be it.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:11 PM
 
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Nobody ever got rich being a “nice guy,” they got rich by destroying the lives of others.

Being rich means having control of the fruits of someone else’s labor.

How does one get control of the fruits of someone else’s labor? The answer is simple: you expropriate it via grossly unequal bargaining power. The simplest way to do this is to hold a gun to someone’s head and demand all of their money. You are giving them a choice between the fruits of their labor and their very life. Doing that, however, is usually illegal.

But it’s perfectly legal to take advantage of the desperation of the landless masses: you use wealth itself to expropriate the fruits of their labor. The masses are desperate for money to survive, so they have no choice but to give you their labor in exchange for meager wages. Difference between the labor value and wages is called profit. Profit is the labor value expropriated from the masses through unequal bargaining power.

Modern conservatism is all about protecting profit, at any cost. If it means sacrificing communities and traditional values, so be it.
Has Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet destroyed the lives of others?

No, what you do is consolidate the media, create this cesspool of BS, and sell it as news! That's what you do, and convince the simpletons that consume it, it's reality! (And as much as the Left is in denial about it many of Trumps supporters are educated!)

It's win win because this fake media is making a killing off of this market of fools!

Then combined with social media where you can just make up crap to peddle to these same morons and they can spread it amongst themselves like an asymptomatic virus. And edit it any way they like. The nuttier it is the better. Even if it was a real story it's twisted in so many ways it's unrecognizable as reality any longer. (It's a good way to make money if you are good at it)

A hell of a lot of people who are not hurting economically voted for Trump. They were almost all white, and making between $30,000, and $75,000 a year.

I have encountered a few already who know that voting for him was a mistake, but what that means for the next election I don't know since Biden is such a poor choice. And their numbers are small compared to the worshipers of the Orange Jesus.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, conservatism has changed by moving further and further to the right.

They left behind the center, which has been claimed and occupied by the liberals.
None of this is true. Like saying vegans started eating meat. Guess what they are no longer vegans.
Your posts, like the big government policies you back are failures. Which is why you never discuss actual policy.

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Case in point, universal healthcare was a Republican idea. First adopted by a Republican governor. It's a good centrist policy. Then the Republicans moved further to the right and thought UHC is evil. Fine, Democrats took it and now UHC is a Democratic thing.

Why they keep moving toward the extreme right? I would be interested to hear people's theory.
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Why keep saying republicans are conservative when they are not? The few small government congress critters are repubs. Overall the right is almost for big government as much as the dems are. The hand picked winners and losers change.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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This is wrong. It is the Democrats who have moved to the far left by openly embracing illegal immigration.

Not even Obama did that when he was in office, even though he too is now in favor of open borders since he supports Joe Biden.
You know this is in response to DJT's actions, right? Their "sanctuary cities" policy is... a... response. No xenophobic DJT as President = no sanctuary cities.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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With one election, the Republican Party completely wiped away the legacies of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike and Reagan. Those men are no longer the predecessors to the present day Republican mantle.

It’s all gone. In fact, stop calling it the Republican Party. It should forever be known as the Trump Party.
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Old 04-27-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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With one election, the Republican Party completely wiped away the legacies of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike and Reagan. Those men are no longer the predecessors to the present day Republican mantle.

It’s all gone. In fact, stop calling it the Republican Party. It should forever be known as the Trump Party.
I think it was Bill Maher who said, “we don’t have progressive party in America. We basically have a center-right party [the Democrats] and a crazy party [the Republicans].”
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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With one election, the Republican Party completely wiped away the legacies of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike and Reagan. Those men are no longer the predecessors to the present day Republican mantle.

It’s all gone. In fact, stop calling it the Republican Party. It should forever be known as the Trump Party.
Reagan was nothing like those other men.
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:26 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I read the thread title and thought, finally a good thread. NOPE

The republicans are no longer conservatives. At least not fiscal conservatives like Dole, Kemp and McCaine in his earlier days.

True conservatives like Ike were wary of the industrial war machine. They were fundamentally opposed to deficit spending and for balanced budgets. True conservatives have a heart and care about the poor, but also about creating an environment that business can thrive in. Democrats weren't so different from their GOP counterparts. Both parties put nation first. Right up until the 70's and then the sell out began.

I liked Reagan for 1 reason. he healed a nation after the Vietnam debacle. He made it ok to be proud to be an American again. Unlike John Kerry of the Time, he also made it ok to be a vet and to respect those who served. Kerry rode the anti-vet train into office. I have never met a vet change his story so many times.

Jack Kemp was a good conservative Republican. RIP.
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:29 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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With one election, the Republican Party completely wiped away the legacies of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike and Reagan. Those men are no longer the predecessors to the present day Republican mantle.

It’s all gone. In fact, stop calling it the Republican Party. It should forever be known as the Trump Party.
No lie. George Bush Senior was the last Republican President that even tried to act like a conservative.
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Old 04-27-2020, 08:27 PM
 
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Reagan was nothing like those other men.
Exactly!
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