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View Poll Results: Was it murder
Yes 299 58.86%
No 68 13.39%
Don't know/let's wait and see as more evidence is gathered 141 27.76%
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
You haven't shown proof that they were going to shoot Arbery. That Arberys life was in danger.
We have 3 people in a car with guns drawn chasing 1 person.

That's all the proof u need.

 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: OC
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Originally Posted by drinkchamps View Post
White people swear the world is their oyster.

Where they can chase people down, and "question" them. And when things go left(although they initiated from start to finish), they shoot.
Perfect example is Zimmerman (who, will probably freak out the day he finds out hes not white). Follows a child. Gets ass kicked by said child. Shoots child.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:40 AM
 
Location: NC
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So he was stealing a hammer?

I understand the fear for your life part, but if I pull a gun on you, or apprehend you on the streets and your proceed to attack me, well I think part of that is justified no? So he brought the "fear for his life" part on himself.
Yeah, these people are all about circular reasoning.

They are claiming the murder was done in self defense, and chest-thumping about their rights, but they forget to acknowledge that the only person being attacked, and defending himself is the person who is now dead. Sure, maybe they feared for their lives, but if they had not hunted this guy down and confronted him in the first place, there would be incident at all.

This vigilante mindset in some citizens of the US needs to be swashed. It is not OK to kill someone for a crime they have not even been tried for, and then claim self defense when the victive, staring down the barrel of a gun decides to (unsuccessfully) protect themselves.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
You haven't shown proof that they were going to shoot Arbery. That Arberys life was in danger. We do have absolute proof that Arbery attacked the person with the gun and that person shot Arbery. It is perfectly legal to defend yourself.

Explain to everyone here how long the shooter should have waited while being attacked? Well I guess I was in the wrong so you get to cause harm to me and even kill me. lol Keep trying.

Or maybe you are saying Arbery can defend himself but the shooter can't??????
At this point, I think you are just being obtuse.

We got it, you dislike black people. Justified because he was black, nothing more.

How you think it is ok for two people to chase someone with guns, then when the person being chased defends himself and gets shot, yet claim the person who shot was doing so ins elf defense, is beyond me.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
You haven't shown proof that they were going to shoot Arbery. That Arberys life was in danger. We do have absolute proof that Arbery attacked the person with the gun and that person shot Arbery. It is perfectly legal to defend yourself.

Explain to everyone here how long the shooter should have waited while being attacked? Well I guess I was in the wrong so you get to cause harm to me and even kill me. lol Keep trying.

Or maybe you are saying Arbery can defend himself but the shooter can't??????
We don't need proof of that. The standard for Stand your ground is reasonably believing your life is in danger.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
Show proof Arberys life was threatened. If you have proof the person who was attacked by Arbery threatened to shot Arbery no matter what, THEN you'd have a point.

or wait for law enforcement especially when someone has the drop on you. That you think your 2 outcomes are the only outcomes is narrow minded.


He should have waited.

If those 2 people were law enforcement is your response fight or flight? lol Don't be silly.
Those two people were not law enforcement though, and Arbery had no idea of their intentions other than the fact that they chased him in trucks and confronted him with weapons drawn.

If people chased me and confronted me with guns I would assume that they were threatening me. If I had a gun on me I would be justified in defending myself. This mans only fault was not being armed and fighting back with his hands.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:52 AM
 
Location: OC
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Yeah, these people are all about circular reasoning.

They are claiming the murder was done in self defense, and chest-thumping about their rights, but they forget to acknowledge that the only person being attacked, and defending himself is the person who is now dead. Sure, maybe they feared for their lives, but if they had not hunted this guy down and confronted him in the first place, there would be incident at all.

This vigilante mindset in some citizens of the US needs to be swashed. It is not OK to kill someone for a crime they have not even been tried for, and then claim self defense when the victive, staring down the barrel of a gun decides to (unsuccessfully) protect themselves.
Yeah listen, I believe in the right to bare arms to protect you, your property and your loved ones. But, if we're on the street and I point my gun at you, you have the right to engage me. That doesn't make you the aggressor. I'm the aggressor for stopping you and detaining you with a weapon. What was the victim's other choice? Running? How do I know you're not gonna shoot me if I run?
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You know darned well there is another option, the one with the best hope of making it through that situation.
So then it's the victim's fault because he didn't do exactly the right thing to avoid being shot by some rednecks who chased him down with guns.

Uh ok.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Whats the other option?
Lay down and hope that the armed men that chased you in trucks were honorable upstanding citizens that meant no harm.
 
Old 05-11-2020, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Those two people were not law enforcement though, and Arbery had no idea of their intentions other than the fact that they chased him in trucks and confronted him with weapons drawn.

If people chased me and confronted me with guns I would assume that they were threatening me. If I had a gun on me I would be justified in defending myself. This mans only fault was not being armed and fighting back with his hands.
Could you imagine if the guy actually pulled a gun and shot the rednecks dead? OMG, heads would roll. How dare he defend himself! We all know the second amendment only applies to certain people....
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