Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Was it murder
Yes 299 58.86%
No 68 13.39%
Don't know/let's wait and see as more evidence is gathered 141 27.76%
Voters: 508. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
24,260 posts, read 14,211,524 times
Reputation: 9895

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
The actual start of the attack is not visible but from the sound of the first shot it was likely close to the right front of the vehicle and then spilled across to the left. That first shot got Arbery in the hand/wrist indicating he likely had the hand on the barrel of the weapon.
Or had his hand up in a defensive position.

 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
24,260 posts, read 14,211,524 times
Reputation: 9895
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leona Valley View Post
There was nothing stopping him from continuing well past the truck. They had plenty of time to shoot him from the moment they saw him. Videos don’t lie. The final outcome is on him.

Who has ever suggested you run up to a good or bad guy from that distance and try to take their firearm? Are you suggesting Arbery would not have shot them with that firearm?
When he was not the initial aggressor he has the right to self defense. Since McMichals was the initial aggressor he was the one acting illegally in this situation.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:27 PM
 
5,450 posts, read 2,719,419 times
Reputation: 2538
@jjrose on the previous page , 401, I posted the Georgia law code for aggravated assault.

Do you think aggravated assault will be the charge that prosecutors pursue in order to also charge felony murder?
Can it be proven that the McMichaels actions prior to the killing, the chase and truck blocking attempt can be classified as a felony offence by Georgia law? Or could it be some other felony like wrongful imprisonment as defined by Georgia law?
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:27 PM
 
13,388 posts, read 6,442,737 times
Reputation: 10022
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leona Valley View Post
Why did he make a left when he got past the truck when the guy with the gun was to the left? Why didn’t he simply go straight when he got past the truck? Is Arbery responsible for any of his outcome?

You think you can try to grab the gun from a good or bad guy and won’t likely get shot? Do you?! Who thinks this way? It’s insane.
He didnt go straight because he had already tried to get away from them on 3 different streets and they kept coming at him.

Travis was coming at him again with a gun.

He imo felt the only choice left was to fight. Not exactly like people never do that.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
24,260 posts, read 14,211,524 times
Reputation: 9895

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr-HMjlr1sU

This lawyer, gun rights advocate, NRATV host, and Fox news contributor, breaks down the info so far.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
24,260 posts, read 14,211,524 times
Reputation: 9895
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbenson View Post
@jjrose on the previous page , 401, I posted the Georgia law code for aggravated assault.

Do you think aggravated assault will be the charge that prosecutors pursue in order to also charge felony murder?
Can it be proven that the McMichaels actions prior to the killing, the chase and truck blocking attempt can be classified as a felony offence by Georgia law? Or could it be some other felony like wrongful imprisonment as defined by Georgia law?
"(a) A person commits the offense of simple assault when he or she either:

(1) Attempts to commit a violent injury to the person of another; or

(2) Commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury."
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia...cle-2/16-5-20/

Chasing someone with a truck then confronting them with a gun in your hands would cause a reasonable person apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

Quote:
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:

(1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;

(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury; or
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia...icle-2/16-5-21

Having a gun made a simple assault a aggravated assault. which is a felony.

Quote:
c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia...ticle-1/16-5-1

Felony aggravated assault + death of a person = murder under GA law.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:45 PM
 
13,388 posts, read 6,442,737 times
Reputation: 10022
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbenson View Post




You contend the McMichaels committed an assault before the shooting took place.
Using the the law below, see if you can extract the portion which you think constitutes aggravated assault
before the shooting took place






__________________________________________________ _____________
Georgia Code

Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 5 - Crimes Against the Person
Article 2 - Assault and Battery
§ 16-5-21. Aggravated assault


Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2017)
(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
(1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;
(3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation; or
(4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.
(b) Except as provided in subsections (c) through (k) of this Code section, a person convicted of the offense of aggravated assault shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.
(c)
(1) A person who knowingly commits the offense of aggravated assault upon a public safety officer while he or she is engaged in, or on account of the performance of, his or her official duties shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished as follows:
(A) When such assault occurs by the discharge of a firearm by a person who is at least 17 years of age, such person shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 20 years and shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of ten years and no portion of the mandatory minimum sentence imposed shall be suspended, stayed, probated, deferred, or withheld by the sentencing court; provided, however, that in the court's discretion, the court may depart from such mandatory minimum sentence when the prosecuting attorney and defendant have agreed to a sentence that is below such mandatory minimum;
(B) When such assault does not involve the discharge of a firearm by a person who is at least 17 years of age, and does not involve only the use of the person's body, such person shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years and, for persons who are at least 17 years of age, shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of three years and no portion of the mandatory minimum sentence imposed shall be suspended, stayed, probated, deferred, or withheld by the sentencing court; provided, however, that in the court's discretion, the court may depart from such mandatory minimum sentence when the prosecuting attorney and defendant have agreed to a sentence that is below such mandatory minimum; or
(C) When such assault occurs only involving the use of the person's body, by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.
(2) A person convicted under this subsection shall be punished, in addition to any term of imprisonment imposed, by a fine as provided by law which shall be at least $2,000.00. With respect to $2,000.00 of the fine imposed, after distributing the surcharges and deductions required by Chapter 21 of Title 15, Code Sections 36-15-9 and 42-8-34, and Title 47, it shall be earmarked for the Georgia State Indemnification Fund for purposes of payment of indemnification for death or disability as provided for in Part 1 of Article 5 of Chapter 9 of Title 45.
(3) As used in this subsection, the term "firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, or similar device or weapon which will or can be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or electrical charge.
(d) Any person who commits the offense of aggravated assault against a person who is 65 years of age or older shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than three nor more than 20 years.
(e) Any person who commits the offense of aggravated assault in a public transit vehicle or station shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than three nor more than 20 years.
(f) Any person who commits the offense of aggravated assault upon a person in the course of violating Code Section 16-8-2 where the property that was the subject of the theft was a vehicle engaged in commercial transportation of cargo or any appurtenance thereto, including without limitation any such trailer, semitrailer, container, or other associated equipment, or the cargo being transported therein or thereon, shall upon conviction be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years, a fine not less than $50,000.00 nor more than $200,000.00, or both such fine and imprisonment. For purposes of this subsection, the term "vehicle" includes without limitation any railcar.
(g) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, a person convicted of an offense described in paragraph (4) of subsection (a) of this Code section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.
(h) Any person who commits the offense of aggravated assault involving the use of a firearm upon a student or teacher or other school personnel within a school safety zone as defined in Code Section 16-11-127.1 shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.
(i) If the offense of aggravated assault is committed between past or present spouses, persons who are parents of the same child, parents and children, stepparents and stepchildren, foster parents and foster children, or other persons excluding siblings living or formerly living in the same household, the defendant shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than three nor more than 20 years.
(j) Any person who commits the offense of aggravated assault with intent to rape against a child under the age of 14 years shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than 25 nor more than 50 years. Any person convicted under this subsection shall, in addition, be subject to the sentencing and punishment provisions of Code Section 17-10-6.2.
(k) A person who knowingly commits the offense of aggravated assault upon an officer of the court while such officer is engaged in, or on account of the performance of, his or her official duties shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.
(a) (2) the deadly weapon stuff

They were charged with aggravated assault and felony murder.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 01:59 PM
 
8,338 posts, read 2,966,443 times
Reputation: 7898
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondy View Post
Rational sane people lock their property up if its important to them.

These fools leave guns and tools and expensive fishing gear laying around unlocked.
Doesn’t matter. Can’t take it just because it’s not “locked up”. If I don’t lock my front door and some stranger walks in guess what may happen to him. Arbery was about as dumb as you can get. Try to grab my gun, win prizes.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 02:05 PM
 
8,338 posts, read 2,966,443 times
Reputation: 7898
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondy View Post
Or you could slap on a garage door and some exterior doors to discourage all but the most determined.

These people were having too much fun strapping on their guns and hunting down criminals to be bothered with rational precautions.
At least you agree he was a criminal. Kudos.
 
Old 05-16-2020, 02:09 PM
 
8,338 posts, read 2,966,443 times
Reputation: 7898
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
He might’ve and should’ve...if he got ahold of the weapon. That’s what I would’ve done.
Dd. I don’t believe for a second that you would have tried to grab that firearm in a similar situation. Arbery basically committed suicide.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:07 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top