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Old 05-13-2020, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Boston
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if you pay by credit card they have all the info they want already
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Old 05-13-2020, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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I think we are a lot closer to a 2nd amendment solution to this than some are thinking. These governors are generally small, petty little people that are enjoying their new-found power and authority way too much. I remember reading about how the Nazi party came to power. The promise of socialism, nationalization of businesses, and the "safety" of their people. I see far too many that look as if they'd be happy to get on rail cars or yellow arm bands if they were told it would somehow make them safer. We have already seen some pathetic individuals that are happy to "rat out" their fellow citizens if happen to remember that they are citizens and not subjects. Worse, we have governors begging their citizens to turn on each other. We have, for years, had individuals and worse, government officials, working to ensure we were defenseless against their dictates.

I suppose both these types of citizens and power-hungry wannabe tyrants in governemt have always been around. Now they have crawled out from under their rocks and revealed themselves for what they are. And it's ugly.

This is Jay Inslee to a "T"!
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:06 PM
 
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Yawn. A restaurant keeping a log doesn't infringe on my freedom to go there. You don't like the logging, don't go there. Simple.
Exactly right.
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Drama queen....much???

You and everyone else losing their collective minds over this "restaurant list", simple questions....

Do any of you have social media accounts?? Credit cards??? Debit cards?? Do you ever shop online? Do you routinely cover the camera on your computer??? Do have an Echo or other similar device in your home??
Do you have GPS in your car?? Do you have a smart phone??? Do you ever leave your house (prior to current restrictions) and walk around a major city with cameras essentially EVERYWHERE?

If you answer YES to any of the above questions then congratulations, you are already being TRACKED, WATCHED, CATALOGED and SPIED UPON routinely much more egregiously and effectively than you ever could be by writing your name on a restaurant ledger....

Get real....

Zuckerburg can't arrest us - not even for our own good. It's a little different.
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
- C. S. Lewis
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
- C. S. Lewis

God, I love CS Lewis! What is the source of this, please?


Edit: I found it and ordered the book. Looks like a great read and this quote is absolutely perfect for this situation. Thanks!

Last edited by vkhmini; 05-13-2020 at 08:48 PM..
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Old 05-13-2020, 08:58 PM
 
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next step will be to ban cash. Too dirty and germ-ridden.
They can accept it or I'll take it somewhere else. I'm sure a wonderful mom and pop shop will gladly accept it so they can make ends meet.
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Old 05-13-2020, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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When someone forces you to use your time and labor for their benefit that is called...

A. Potato salad
B. Slavery
C. Mickey Mouse

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Old 05-13-2020, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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God, I love CS Lewis! What is the source of this, please?

Edit: I found it and ordered the book. Looks like a great read and this quote is absolutely perfect for this situation. Thanks!

I was slow so I'm glad you found it quicker.
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Old 05-14-2020, 05:18 AM
 
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Not normally a fan of Judge Nap opinions but he gets it correct on this one !!!

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Does the government work for us or do we work it?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gove...rew-napolitano

Think for a moment of how you would have reacted to any pre-COVID-19 idea that the police in America -- using not the force of opinion but the force of arms -- would prevent you from going out of your home, operating your business, jogging in a park, patronizing a restaurant or clothing store, buying a garden hose, going to Mass or church or temple or mosque or even joining a small public gathering of folks who want to protest these prohibitions.

Where did these prohibitions come from? They have come from the ever-changing edicts of governors and mayors, who rely on the ever-changing evaluations of medical data from an ever-changing cast of scientific experts. They are the pronouncements of politicians who have forgotten that they are elected to enforce laws, not to write them, and to be the servants of the people, not their masters.

government’s principal duty is to secure our rights.
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