Your state reopens and recovers from COVID-19. > but a second wave starts in the fall, you're the Governor, what do you (county, government)

[ottomobeale]

Kill 10000 or impoverish 2 million. Sometimes you get to pick between the devil and the devil.

Mental note: Dont ever run for office that forces these kind of decisions.

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by austinnerd

Post anonymously on the CD POC forum and ask the big brained objective thinkers there indirectly by titling the post "Why do Republican/Democratic/Conservative/Liberal governors hate/support Trump/Obama/Biden despite the many mistakes they've made" and then slowly steer the conversation away from Trump (because whichever option is chosen for the title, it will end up being all about Trump) to begin eliciting advice under the guise of replying with strawman (uh, strawperson, strawbeing, strawthey?) arguments that just happen to match the scenarios that the governor is considering.

Then I'd ignore it all and end up doing either whatever inflates my bank account or visions of grandeur (or both) the most.

LOL! Best answer!

[TylerJAX]

Ideally, testing capacity would be ramped up to be able to test on a daily basis all healthcare/nursing home workers, emergency responders, retail/bar/restaurant employees, and anyone who has to work indoors and/or has to come into close contact with others. Ideally, we'll also have contact tracing that is robust enough that we can identify anyone who has been potentially infected and test them too. This would be coupled with guidelines for the elderly and those with underlying conditions to stay at home and socially distance as much as possible. People living in nursing homes would be tested regularly too.

I'm not suring if testing could ever be ramped up to such a degree, as we are talking about millions or hundreds of thousands of tests every day for most states. 10s of millions on a national level. This would have to be coordinated on a national level because states without strong testing and contact tracing regimes would end up being weak links in the chain and states may need funding assistance to test at such a level. There's a good chance we could strangle the virus without continuing to severely damaging the economy and significantly affecting our way of life if we could pull that off. They shouldn't sit around waiting/hoping for vaccine.

In the absence of such testing capacity, you test high as many who are at high-risk of getting and spreading the infection (including nursing home workers) as much as possible. Trace contacts as much as possible and test those people as well. Use testing results as a leading indicator for a potential surge in hospitalizations and monitor hospital capacity as well. Use antibody testing to help inform what the potential infection rate is. People who are vulnerable or live with anyone who is vulnerable should be advised to stay at home and avoid close contact as much as possible as well. There's a bunch of other stuff too, but that is the gist of it. Shutting down and/or mandating the vulnerable to isolate should be a method of absolute last resort.

This may not be the perfect plan, but it's better than this slip-shod approach to where there seems to be no long term strategy other than go into cycles of various degrees of business closures and stay-at-homes orders and pray for a ****ing vaccine or effective treatment.

[roodd279]

The "slip-shod" approach you're referring to has some unanticipated benefits. Your post is focusing almost entirely on death (by mention of the "vulnerable" population) - and contact tracing (which a sizable number of citizens have already proclaimed they will not participate in - so that's a non-starter).


The focus on resources, on the other hand, has turned out not-so-bad. By keeping a segment of the population at home for a month or two - the OTHER segment had all kinds of chances to get sick and get over it and get immune. ANYONE that got sick in February, March, April, or first week may - 85% of them are over, symptoms or not. They are not handing the virus to anyone right now. Whatever that number was - your odds are now reduced by that amount of getting it from one of them. It's millions. Something between 8 million and 60 million. It is. A. Bunch. And we're adding 100K - 500K more every - single - day.



Now we allow a part of the other folks to participate. Wash / Rinse / Repeat. It's not entirely black and white, lots of folks ignore the orders and don't wear masks - but we don't need EVERYONE to be perfect - we need LOTS OF PEOPLE to be really good, and a decent number to catch it and get over it. So by protesting / not wearing masks / whatever - up to a point, it is actually helping the others stay home longer, thanks.


We'll ultimately get to the last segment of folks - and still (another unintended consequence) some of the jobless will remain jobless until the economy starts some kind of recovery. We're not hiring everyone back at my place - even though the restrictions are lifted. So there are even MORE people not really spreading it - yet. But they will.


The whole point was to spread it slowly - not all at once - and the number of dead is not highly related. Nor is your age.



So lots of testing isn't really the goal either - because we're not trying to stop the spread. We're trying to get everyone sick. Just not all at once. And it's working.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by ottomobeale

Kill 10000 or impoverish 2 million. Sometimes you get to pick between the devil and the devil.

Mental note: Dont ever run for office that forces these kind of decisions.

I think the same thing every time one of them has to make a decision when there are often - zero good answers.

[phma]

Originally Posted by jonbenson

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Your state reopens and recovers from COVID-19. > but a second wave starts in the fall, you're the Governor, what do you do?

Blame it on the President !!! Lets call it the Cuomo rule !!!

[tinytrump]

Originally Posted by jonbenson

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Your state reopens and recovers from COVID-19. > but a second wave starts in the fall, you're the Governor, what do you do?

Get a shovel- you either dig yourself a grave or bury others. Not much the Governors can do, when the people are not willing to obey or accept this is the best they can come up with for your health. The FEDS are accountable for much more. The help they were supposed to send the states and small business is a political football now. What the governor said or did not say- and only ones that won is CORP again - GO pass and pick up $200 or $200 MIl

[Nanny Goat]

Depends on how bad the wave is.

[rjshae]

At this point I think many people will respond to a second wave on their own initiative. By this point we're all pretty familiar with the recommended measures.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by jonbenson

Your state reopens and recovers from COVID-19. > but a second wave starts in the fall, you're the Governor, what do you do?

You use your State's version of the federal emergency powers act to declare an emergency (all States have one that parallels the federal law).

Using the Act, you place all hospitals under the control of your State cabinet-level health department.

You activate all Army National Guard units in your State that have medium lift capability (Blackhawk and Chinook helicopters), plus medical, military police and engineer units.

Your State cabinet-level health department coordinates requests from hospitals.

You use the Blackhawks and Chinooks to transport patients from over-crowded medical facilities to less crowded facilities to relieve over-crowding and ensure the highest quality of care, since your healthcare workers would not be Slaves working 24/7 and so tired they make mistakes killing COVID-19 patients.

You use the Blackhawks and Chinooks to transport medical equipment and supplies from under-utilized medical facilities to those facilities where they are in high demand.

If your State cabinet-level health secretary is smarter than a patch of brown liquid, they will use a map of the current hospitalization status for each county in the State as a template to have some idea in advance of where the hot-spots will be allowing coordination to go smoother.

You require all employers to monitor employees daily. Temperature check before/after shift. Employees showing symptoms are sent home/barred from working.

You order any person with an infected household member quarantined.

Any person violating quarantine can be picked up by you military police and local police and transported to a temporary holding facility constructed by your engineer companies/battalions where they can spend 2 months in holding instead of a few weeks quarantined at home with the sick household member.

Let's see....loss of 2 months pay versus loss of 2 weeks pay.....hmmm....which costs less?

And don't you just love sleeping on your cot in a GP Medium Tent playing Euchre or Tunk all day while watching re-runs of Gomer Pyle, USMC?

Maybe if you bribe the MPs, they'll let you watch Judge Judy all day instead of Green Acres.

You require all non-restaurant public services to sanitize daily under penalty of closure. That would be gyms, hair/barber/nail salons, and the like, and the use of masks by patrons. Patrons can bring their own masks or the service can provide them.

For restaurants, they'll have to sanitize daily, plus have have table barriers. No barriers, then 50% reduction in capacity.

For bars and restaurants, no bar service. Everyone sits at a table and the servers come to them.

For large venues like stadiums, arenas, theaters, concert halls, cinema shows etc, the rule is no mask, no entry. That will put a damper on concession sales, since removing the mask at any point is automatic ejection from the facility. You can go watch football, you just won't be able to eat or drink anything, although you could probably drink your beer through a straw underneath your mask.

Then let it all play out and try to mitigate the damages.