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Old 05-20-2020, 09:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Drewjdeg View Post
Exactly. You err on the side of caution until new evidence comes available. You change the guidelines when you have gathered sufficient evidence to confirm a hypothesis - that's how science works.

It's common sense and not controversial whatsoever.
I agree.

then why put out guidance in the first place knowing that they have not received sufficient data to make a coherent estimate?

Did Chicken Little err on the side of caution when it claimed the sky was falling? ...or when 2.2 million people were supposed to die?

 
Old 05-20-2020, 09:28 PM
 
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**** the CDC and their incompetence
 
Old 05-20-2020, 09:54 PM
 
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Lol.... I’d like to think you’re being facetious, yea?

That being said I am amazed that some of these posters believe erring on the side of caution somehow discredits 99% of the experts.
It doesn't necessarily "discredit" the experts, however it does logically lead many folks to then question just how solid the rationale behind any future guidance. In many ways it doesn't take an expert to "assume the worse and hope for the best". Did the CDC err on the side of caution when they originally stated that masks were not effective and that the #1 preventative measure was to wash one's hands? Consider, what would make one trust this particular piece of guidance given previous history?

I'm not saying that they can not be trusted, rather, the notion that some folks would be skeptical is not at all undeserved nor unwarranted.
 
Old 05-20-2020, 10:10 PM
 
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Lol.... I’d like to think you’re being facetious, yea?

That being said I am amazed that some of these posters believe erring on the side of caution somehow discredits 99% of the experts.
Just poking fun at the ones ready to jump on people that know these things.
My sister majors in biology. Shes going for her masters now.

She just got a job doing mass testing. Happy for her but also worried. Don’t want her anywhere near that... But proud shes helping.

It’s because of her I that defend alot of the people leading the fight against the virus.
 
Old 05-20-2020, 10:19 PM
 
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It doesn't necessarily "discredit" the experts, however it does logically lead many folks to then question just how solid the rationale behind any future guidance. In many ways it doesn't take an expert to "assume the worse and hope for the best". Did the CDC err on the side of caution when they originally stated that masks were not effective and that the #1 preventative measure was to wash one's hands? Consider, what would make one trust this particular piece of guidance given previous history?

I'm not saying that they can not be trusted, rather, the notion that some folks would be skeptical is not at all undeserved nor unwarranted.
The CDC wanted to ensure that the *extremely limited* supply of masks went to medical professionals first, which was a prudent measure considering how unprepared we were.

Furthermore, the OP is calling out all “experts”, saying things like “what have they gotten right during this whole thing?”, and “If it wasn't so serious, our "experts" would be a damn joke”, which goes FAR beyond what you’re calling “skeptic[ism]”.
 
Old 05-20-2020, 10:20 PM
 
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Wait 24 hours. It will change again.
 
Old 05-20-2020, 10:44 PM
 
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This is proof that we shouldn’t put experts in charge of anything, and we should let Joe Sixpack’s run everything.

Trump 2020!

cough
 
Old 05-21-2020, 02:54 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Why did you post a link to a mass media outlet instead of the report itself?

Context is meaningful.

I went to the CDC website and the first page has about a dozen links to various updates just for May 20th, and then days before that and, to be honest, it is hard to tell even what report this mass media "report" is referring to.

The link within the link that you provided goes to a page that was last updated on April 13th.

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Page last reviewed: April 13, 2020
Content source: National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD), Division of Viral Diseases
This is not news. We all seem to know that, in order of probability, the infection is spread mainly through mucous droplets (sneezing, coughing, singing, yelling, loud talking, talking, breathing), especially if exposed for a period of time in a closed space, secondarily from touching infected surfaces and then touching one's face with infected hands, and so on.

We've already known that.

At this point, people can decide on their own how to measure risks that they can control, such as whether to shower and disinfect packages, products and surfaces in the home when returning from the grocery store or going out anywhere, when to go to stores or parks and which to go to, how long to stay, etc.

As for common mass gatherings, such as sporting events, it seems the baseball season is on the verge of being completely cancelled (I believe members of the players union have to decide soon whether to accept protocols detailed in an owners' proposal and begin a half season by July 4th or so). Basically all youth summer camps that I know of are completely cancelled. Meanwhile football and schools are still at least two months away, so there's still time to see how things develop. The California State University system has already cancelled on-campus instruction for the first semester next academic year.

I do sympathize with potentially vulnerable people who cannot work from home and may be called to go back to work with little or no choice in the matter.

At the same time, we all have a personal responsibility to strengthen our immune system - even way before this happened - through a healthy lifestyle and not expect others to subsidize the results of bad choices.

As for political economy, yes, disengage or at least meaningfully degear from China, stop using their near-slave labor as a crutch and pretend we don't see it because we're high on credit and fentanyl, shorten production and supply lines as much as possible, make borders tighter than a clam's ass, and get major swathes of otherwise idle people legally on US soil back to work on the basics, but, again, that should have been the policy long before this happened: as one poster astutely mentioned in another thread about a week ago, one result of the lock-downs is they have revealed just how unproductive the average US suburbanite really is.

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Old 05-21-2020, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Just like Democrats, you cant really trust anything froim the CDC or WHO these days.
 
Old 05-21-2020, 04:46 AM
 
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So...if that’s the case, can we drop the whole let’s ban gyms, gloves, etc BS?

Otherwise, why are all these basic things banned?
Not that I agree with the ban but there is a lot of heavy breathing at the gym and the virus is transmitted that way. At least for now.
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