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Washington state counts gun shot victims as coronavirus related deaths, state public health officials admit.
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In a telephone press briefing last week, public health officials with the Washington State Department of Health (DOH) acknowledge their data collection is unusual.
“So our method that we use to give up to date counts related to COVID death is not our usual process for how we track data for deaths in Washington,” Dr. Katie Hutchison, Health Statistics Manager for DOH. “We had to modify what we normally do in order to quickly meet the data and informational needs of the pandemic. We’re aware that there is some confusion about how this works and whether or not this modified process is accurate.”
It seems obvious that their data is not accurate. They imply as much: “Our dashboard numbers do include any death to a person that has tested positive to COVID-9.”
That means, if a COVID-19 patient dies of a gun shot wound or in a car crash, the data lists that patient as a coronavirus death. If a tree falls on a coronavirus patient and kills them? It’s listed as a coronavirus death.
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What if we see a rash new Washington coronavirus deaths? Inslee changes guidelines on a dime. One coronavirus-positive gun shot victim or a car crash fatality with coronavirus-positive victims could pause a phase-2 start for a county. That has serious economic implications.
How are we supposed to trust the data if it's treated so loosely?
How are we supposed to trust the data if it's treated so loosely?
That actually is pretty typical of most data collection - it's at best just a good estimate.
The official said there are five deaths counted as COVID19 deaths when the real cause of death should be gun shots death.
Then there is 3,000 deaths with COVID19 symptoms but they are not counted until further investigation. I think there is a good chance at least five deaths in this group is caused by COVID19. Or there is at least five COVID19 deaths somewhere that was not counted. So in the end, it probably evens out.
Think of it as an NBA game - some questionable calls go against your team but during the course of a game there should be some questionable calls in favor of your team; in the end you just hope it all evens out.
Yeah it all seems plausible until we look at the data and realize that no one has died from anything else since January...
On the contrary, if you look at average death rates over any given month in any given jurisdiction in the last X years you'll most likely see Covid-19 deaths being underreported.
Example:
Anytown, USA has averaged 200 deaths per 1 million people during March for the past 30-40 years.
This March there were 350 deaths with 20 being designated as the result of Covid-19.
Well, how does that make sense? Not saying all 150 extra deaths are Covid-19 but you can safely assume at least some of them were.
If anything, the lockdown reduced other causes of death.
It's not likely a conspiracy. Just government being government.
I agree - but it's still a bad practice.
The immediate cause of death was not a lack of oxygen... it was a gunshot. Put it in that in the death by gunshot category. It just seems like common sense.
How are we supposed to trust the data if it's treated so loosely?
It's the money.
States want to feed at the trough and the cover-charge for feeding at the trough is lots of cases/deaths so numbers are doctored (pardon the pun) to get as much money as possible.
States want to feed at the trough and the cover-charge for feeding at the trough is lots of cases/deaths so numbers are doctored (pardon the pun) to get as much money as possible.
This. Hospitals need to be compensated and the higher the numbers of Covid patients the more money they get.
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