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Indeed. Big difference between the looters and the people flipping cars over/burning buildings. The looters are indeed opportunistic. People waging war in the streets, those aren't opportunists. Those are some angry individuals with nothing to lose. Those persons are bent on revenge.
It's a distinction without a difference. Both groups are now criminals. And the people exacting revenge on people who had nothing to so with Floyd's death, they definitely have something to lose.
And honestly, I can much more identify with pent up rage that turns to property violence, over the joy of breaking into a Target and making off with whatever you can carry.
While there's a slight difference, there really shouldn't be. Destroying property in not more noble than stealing and also destroying property. I get the frustration, just wished it didn't go down like that.
The message gets lost, all you see is people acting a fool and sympathy starts to sort dry up a bit and the original horror that caused it all gets muddied a bit. It would be much more powerful to protest, not destroy and steal, and you'd gain a bit more traction, in my opinion.
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While there's a slight difference, there really shouldn't be. Destroying property in not more noble than stealing and also destroying property. I get the frustration, just wished it didn't go down like that.
The message gets lost, all you see is people acting a fool and sympathy starts to sort dry up a bit and the original horror that caused it all gets muddied a bit. It would be much more powerful to protest, not destroy and steal, and you'd gain a bit more traction, in my opinion.
I agree the message gets lost when you see people "acting a fool" and partying and dancing and joking.
The message doesn't get lost, IMHO, when you see rage. That gets my attention.
I have noticed that in current times, the more progressive the city is, the thuggier the police act.
I don’t agree with what they did. However I think this is less about race and more about ghetto. The police definitely hold residents of ghettos (and white trailer parks in contempt) They see the residents of such places as criminals and parasites. Most Americans see them the same way. The police are so used to these people giving them trouble that they start with a tough stance and it descends into something like this. The fact that the city is liberal likely does not help. Law officers often hold leftists in contempt as well. When something does happen in a place that is fully leftist like Minneapolis there is an organized response from leftists who are used to protesting and causing trouble. It is a recipe for violence. I bet we see a lot more violence before this is over.
Let’s be clear though that most black men will not be treated like this. A black man in business casuals cloths coming from an office will not face this. Police don’t patrol for black men cutting their grass in a middle class neighborhood. This is about the ghetto way more than about race.
What to do about it? I don’t know. We can’t ask the police to treat ghetto dwellers with kid gloves because that will only encourage their criminal tendencies. We don’t want an American gestapo either. Putting more black officers in those areas has not helped....they disrespect them too. When something happens to a criminal at the hands of a black officer it’s no better of a response than if it were a white officer.
Police officers are protected by police union delegates whose job it is to investigate situations such as this to determine the officers’ culpability as laid out by police regulations before turning it over to local prosecutors. If this didn’t happen, police would be prevented from ever doing anything for fear of overzealous prosecution. Their job puts them in precarious situations that require extra levels of investigation before prosecution.
There are procedures in play. They take some time. Rest assured that justice will be carried out. People need to remember though that justice is a process, NOT an outcome. Let the professionals sort this out.
Okay, that's great. But in this case, THERE IS A VIDEO of him acting like a murderer. You need to make an arrest now to avoid more violence. You don't need any "process" after watching that. Any true leader can see this.
I agree the message gets lost when you see people "acting a fool" and partying and dancing and joking.
The message doesn't get lost, IMHO, when you see rage. That gets my attention.
Smashing police cars and flipping them over and things along those lines loses many people, maybe not you, but it does for the vast majority of people I've ever known and within my orbit. This I can be sure of.
MLK had a better approach and was much more respected and taken more seriously than guys destroying things.
Empathy is one thing, participating in riots is a whole nother.
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Smashing police cars and flipping them over and things along those lines loses many people, maybe not you, but it does for the vast majority of people I've ever known and within my orbit. This I can be sure of.
MLK had a better approach and was much more respected and taken more seriously than guys destroying things.
Empathy is one thing, participating in riots is a whole nother.
I agree he had a better/different approach, but the Freedom Riders took a LOT of beatings by being non combative and non responsive to violence against them.
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