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Old 06-10-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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Most certainly, worldwide.



So, if some threshold of hospital bed-availability is tripped, society at large will again be forthwith "shut down"? Is that not perhaps a classic illustration of the adage, "the tail wagging the dog"?
These would be local decisions. Worst case would be if the local hospital can't handle all the cases, and patients have to be shipped out. A real sht show!
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Old 06-10-2020, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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No, it is not over. Hospitalizations are up in 9 states since Memorial Day.

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"As the number of new coronavirus cases continues to increase worldwide, and more than a dozen states and Puerto Rico are recording their highest averages of new cases since the pandemic began, hospitalizations in at least nine states have been on the rise since Memorial Day.

In Texas, North and South Carolina, California, Oregon, Arkansas, Mississippi, Utah and Arizona, there are an increasing number of patients under supervised care since the holiday weekend because of coronavirus infections. The spikes generally began in the past couple weeks and in most states are trending higher."
Yea, because the cdc, who, and china have hoodwinked all the doctors over here into not treating everyone because "there's no treatment." Let doctors treat it, and it'll go away, just like all the dozens of other respiratory infections nearly everyone gets each year.
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Old 06-10-2020, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Southeastern North Carolina
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Yea, because the cdc, who, and china have hoodwinked all the doctors over here into not treating everyone because "there's no treatment." Let doctors treat it, and it'll go away, just like all the dozens of other respiratory infections nearly everyone gets each year.
If doctors aren't treating everyone because there's no treatment, why are hospitalizations up?
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Old 06-10-2020, 09:42 AM
 
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Sad to say no sign of flatten curve, unless vaccine is available.
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Old 06-10-2020, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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If doctors aren't treating everyone because there's no treatment, why are hospitalizations up?
...Really? Do you understand that if you don't treat a disease...it gets more serious??? That's like asking "why does my leg hurt so much after I broke it?" while you try to continue on as normal. 6 months ago, anyone with the same symptoms as corona would get an antibiotic and a steroid. Now, they're given nothing more than a good luck and "hope you don't end up in the hospital."
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Old 06-10-2020, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Southeastern North Carolina
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...Really? Do you understand that if you don't treat a disease...it gets more serious??? That's like asking "why does my leg hurt so much after I broke it?" while you try to continue on as normal. 6 months ago, anyone with the same symptoms as corona would get an antibiotic and a steroid. Now, they're given nothing more than a good luck and "hope you don't end up in the hospital."
Do *you* understand that if doctors weren't treating people, that hospitalizations for Covid wouldn't be on the rise?
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Old 06-10-2020, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Do *you* understand that if doctors weren't treating people, that hospitalizations for Covid wouldn't be on the rise?
Yes, they're "treating" people by letting them get so bad that they end up in the hospital. Again, this is like getting a bad cut, then not cleaning or bandaging it, so it gets a major infection so then you HAVE to go to the hospital. Even now, being hospitalized just results in little more than palliative care, of course, by the time something is allowed to get serious, there may not be a reasonable treatment beyond that. But it doesn't have to get there in the first place.
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Old 06-10-2020, 11:20 AM
 
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Yes, they're "treating" people by letting them get so bad that they end up in the hospital. Again, this is like getting a bad cut, then not cleaning or bandaging it, so it gets a major infection so then you HAVE to go to the hospital. Even now, being hospitalized just results in little more than palliative care, of course, by the time something is allowed to get serious, there may not be a reasonable treatment beyond that. But it doesn't have to get there in the first place.
Of course patients are receiving outpatient treatments. Many are receiving Plaquenil, probably your politicized point.

Just don't forget that most docs also adhere to 'first do no harm'. So we have to be very careful when using unproven treatments.

There is still no good study showing Plaquenil reduces hospitalizations and/or death here in the USA.
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Old 06-10-2020, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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this is like getting a bad cut, then not cleaning or bandaging it, so it gets a major infection so then you HAVE to go to the hospital. Even now, being hospitalized just results in little more than palliative care, of course, by the time something is allowed to get serious, there may not be a reasonable treatment beyond that. But it doesn't have to get there in the first place.
There isn't much known at this point on what is or is not effective universally.

So, exactly WHAT treatments do you believe are not being dispensed in the early days which could prevent progression?

And, are these not being dispensed because of indifference or lack of knowledge?
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Old 06-10-2020, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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This isn't being enforced with the "protesters" therefore, it shouldn't be enforced with any other gatherings because it presents a hypocritical situation.
If a few thousand people jumped off a cliff, would you jump, too?

D'oh! Wear a mask. Don't pay attention to what anyone else does. Set an example. Be a patriot!

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...Really? Do you understand that if you don't treat a disease...it gets more serious??? That's like asking "why does my leg hurt so much after I broke it?" while you try to continue on as normal. 6 months ago, anyone with the same symptoms as corona would get an antibiotic and a steroid. Now, they're given nothing more than a good luck and "hope you don't end up in the hospital."
What treatments are available for coronavirus? Antibiotics won't work. Not sure about steroids. What's your solution, doctor?
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